[bars] 40M Dipole?

Sat Sep 5 19:09:35 EDT 2020

Hi All,

Thanks for the feedback, started fixing my antenna poles and figuring out where the wires will be tied off to.

This is from the west side of the roof looking east:

(I've moved the weather station to the right-hand pole to use the left-hand one for the center support of the 40M dipole, which will keep the dipole more in-line).

And while I'm anxiously awaiting my parts to arrive (*) I'm trying to figure out how to attach the ends.

I'm thinking of a pole coming up from the side of one of the dormers, but I'm not sure what to make it out of.  PVC would work, but it'd have to be 1" or so to have much structural stability, which would make it pretty visible, which I'm trying to avoid.

I could do a piece of copper pipe, but I'm not sure if it'd interfere with the antenna, as it's a nearby piece of metal, which I probably want to avoid.  On the other hand, it'd be vertical, and several feet away, and insulated, so maybe it's not an issue?

I suppose I could do a wooden dowel?  Are there other options I'm missing?  Could/should I just tie it off to the top of the dormer and not worry about getting it a few more feet away from the roof at the ends?

Andy:  The house is pretty much taller than the nearby trees, (the one you see to the left is my neighbor's), and the coax goes in to the lightning arrester panel just above the shorter roof peak, so trees are more trouble than they are worth, IMHO....

73,

Willie
N1JBJ
(*) "I want my instant gratification Right Now!"

> On Sep 4, 2020, at 10:07 PM, Andy Wallace <soldersmoke01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Great tips everyone. 
> 
> Willie, the adjustment calc here 
> 
> https://wireless-girl.com/Projects/Antennas/AntennaCalc.html <https://wireless-girl.com/Projects/Antennas/AntennaCalc.html>
> 
> May be of some use. Rest of Janis’s site is interesting too. 
> 
> In my experience, putting an antenna wire against wood causes it to look electrically long. 468/7.15 MHz = 65.5’ but up on the roof material you may find it needs to be shorter to work. 
> 
> Is there a reason you don’t want it between trees (a condo)?
> Andy
> KA1GTT
> 
> 
> On Sep 4, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Bruce Anderson <w1lus at hotmail.com <mailto:w1lus at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Willie
> 
> If you plan to just use SSB tune for the top of the band.
> If just CW or digital tune for the bottom of the band.
> Tune to the middle for both.
> 
> If you want to fold back the ends while adjusting the length you must connect the end of the folded back portion to the antenna wire.
> If you are using insulated wire just strip the last few feet so you can connect the folded back portion.
> Also, the loop formed by the folded back wire makes it easy to connect whatever you are using to hold up that end of the antenna.
> I don't use antenna insulators, just rope to hold up my antennas.
> Once you have it tuned to your satisfaction either cut off the folded back section or solder the connection to make it permanent. 
> 
> Bruce
> W1LUS
>  
> 
> From: bars <bars-bounces at w1hh.org <mailto:bars-bounces at w1hh.org>> on behalf of Mike Raisbeck via bars <bars at w1hh.org <mailto:bars at w1hh.org>>
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 6:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: [bars] 40M Dipole?
>  
> Hi Willie,
> 
> A couple of observations:
> 
> 1 - it doesn't need to be super straight.  any angle greater than 60 should do it.
> 
> 2 - if you have choices on which point can be the highest, go for the center.  The center portion of the dipole carries most of the current, so the higher the better.
> 
> 3 - shoot for the middle of the band - it's a squeeze, but you might get most or all of the band at less than 2:1 SWR.  If you have a tuner on your rig, it hardly matters at this fequency
> 
> 4 - depending on where your coax enters the house, you have the opportunity to base feed the whole thing as an 80m vertical
> 
> 5 - might as well have a 20m dipole on the same feed points as well.  That way you get 20.  Though the SWR may be a bit over 2:1,  you will get 15m as well.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Smith <w_smith at compusmiths.com <mailto:w_smith at compusmiths.com>>
> To: bars at w1hh.org <mailto:bars at w1hh.org>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2020 7:11 pm
> Subject: [bars] 40M Dipole?
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> As I mentioned last night during the Zoom meeting, I'm looking at building a 40M dipole out of some wire, insulators, and an SO-239 connector, using essentially the instructions at:
> 
> https://dcasler.com/2011/02/17/ham-radio-40-meter-dipole-your-first-antenna/ <https://dcasler.com/2011/02/17/ham-radio-40-meter-dipole-your-first-antenna/>
> 
> I'm hoping to stretch it out across the roof peak of my house, which has lots of space:
> 
> <NR-Sat.png>
> 
> The ridge of the larger side is 40 feet, and the smaller side is 25 feet, so 66 feet ought to be do-able.
> 
> I have a couple of questions for the experts:
> 
> 1) Does it make much difference if the antenna is straight?  I might do something like:
> 
> <Screen Shot 2020-09-03 at 6.59.22 PM.png>
> 
> To stay away from the ridgelines, where I know there's a lot of wiring (the point of the "Vee" is where I have a couple of antenna poles.)
> 
> 2) Obviously I want to start out long and shorten the wires, so as to avoid the "I cut it three times and it's still too short!" problem, but I'm not sure if I have to cut the (insulated) wire at the ends, or if I can wrap it back around itself (which would allow me to lengthen it if I overshoot).
> 
> 3)  Should I aim for one end of the band or the middle?  Or is it going to be pretty good throughout the band?
> 
> Is there anything else I should know before I start?
> 
> Many thanks in advance!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Willie
> N1JBJ
> 
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