From w1lus at hotmail.com Wed Oct 2 16:29:03 2024 From: w1lus at hotmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 21:29:03 +0000 Subject: [bars] Reminder BARS In-Person and ZOOM meeting October 2, 7:00 PM Topic: Sunspot and Radio Propagation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The club meeting will be held both virtually via Zoom and in person at the Chelmsford Bible Church, 128 Gorham St, Chelmsford MA This month's guest speaker will be Terry Dennison, K9TAD. Terry will give a talk, via ZOOM, on Sunspot and Radio Propagation. Here are some biographical details about Terry: ? FCC Extra Class Amateur Radio License (2010), First Licensed in 2007 Callsign: K9TAD. ? Memberships: American Radio Relay League (ARRL); Volunteer Examiner Greater Los Angeles Amateur Radio Group (GLAARG) VEC, VE # 3208E. ? Associated with: the AD4VE team Southern California DX Club; Southern California Contest Club; PAPA System (Southern California FM/DMR/D-Star Repeater Club); AMSAT (Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation); G-QRP Club (UK Low-Power QRP Club) Below is your link to the ZOOM portion of the Billerica Amateur Radio Society October 2 meeting Starting at 7:00 PM Topic: Sunspot and Radio Propagation Time: Oct 2, 2024, 07:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) Every month on the First Wed, 11 occurrence(s) Please download and import the following iCalendar (.ics) files to your calendar system. Monthly: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/tZEqcO-tpjguGtwuXhoQ8QsksvxxbrbJosIw/ics?icsToken=98tyKuGtqTwsH9yWtBmPRpwMB4_CM-_xiHZbjbdKiSftDBELUxD9JfRaKrBtEvLf Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85776583408?pwd=ZStjdHBkK3VqeWV2T1doODJLdzNRQT09 Meeting ID: 857 7658 3408 Passcode: 205070 One tap mobile +13092053325,,85776583408#,,,,*205070# US +13126266799,,85776583408#,,,,*205070# US (Chicago) Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kurFSAv3G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k1dc.radio at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 07:48:42 2024 From: k1dc.radio at gmail.com (Tim K1DC) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 08:48:42 -0400 Subject: [bars] Another X class flare Message-ID: <3428b74f-4be5-4a2a-a972-f3669e97319f@gmail.com> Our sun is angry...? It released another X class flare this morning.? From what I can see on the Space Weather Prediction Center website ( https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/goes-x-ray-flux ) this one may have been a X9.0 which makes it rather large. The is the second 'big one' this week (there was a X7.1 flare late on the first). For those of you that viewed K9TAD's presentation on solar weather last night may remember solar flares may portend a solar storm in the coming days. The sun giveth and the sun taketh away. ;-) 73 & good DX, T. -- Courageously sent from a non-Apple device that /includes/ a headphone jack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim?Carter - K1DC (was KC1RET) +1.978.710.0133 k1dc.radio at gmail.com https://k1dc.com "Computers are incredibly fast, accurate and stupid; humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination." -- /Albert Einstein/ Warning: Spelling errors in this message are the product of a poor school system. 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URL: From k1cpr at bd5.com Thu Oct 3 09:24:31 2024 From: k1cpr at bd5.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Juan_Jim=C3=A9nez?=) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:24:31 -0400 Subject: [bars] Another X class flare In-Reply-To: <3428b74f-4be5-4a2a-a972-f3669e97319f@gmail.com> References: <3428b74f-4be5-4a2a-a972-f3669e97319f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ahyup. The sun is angry alright. Check out Helioviewer.org, SDO, AIA, 171 angstrom camera. Move back to 16:00 UTC or a little earlier, select the flare activity checkbox for the markers and watch the fireworks on the right. 73, K1CPR Juan On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 8:48?AM Tim K1DC wrote: > Our sun is angry... It released another X class flare this morning. From > what I can see on the Space Weather Prediction Center website ( > https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/goes-x-ray-flux ) this one may have > been a X9.0 which makes it rather large. The is the second 'big one' this > week (there was a X7.1 flare late on the first). For those of you that > viewed K9TAD's presentation on solar weather last night may remember solar > flares may portend a solar storm in the coming days. > > The sun giveth and the sun taketh away. ;-) > > 73 & good DX, > > T. > -- > > Courageously sent from a non-Apple device that *includes* a headphone > jack. > ------------------------------ > Tim Carter - K1DC (was > KC1RET) > +1.978.710.0133 <1.978.710.0133> > k1dc.radio at gmail.com > https://k1dc.com > > "Computers are incredibly fast, accurate and stupid; humans are incredibly > slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond > imagination." -- *Albert Einstein* > > Warning: Spelling errors in this message are the product of a poor school > system. 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URL: From k1dc.radio at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 08:28:01 2024 From: k1dc.radio at gmail.com (Tim K1DC) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 09:28:01 -0400 Subject: [bars] Upcoming Zoom + On-Air Training for FLDIGI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406667a4-139c-4504-af91-c918c42bae38@gmail.com> FLDigi is software used for many digital modes that are not FT8/FT4.? From the wiki... /"Fldigi, Fast Light Digital Modem Application, pronounced "F L digi", is a cross-platform //modem program that supports most of the peer-to-peer (live keyboard) digital modes used on the amateur radio bands."/ If you are uninterested in FT8/FT4 because you feel it lacks a human element then the modes included in FLDigi will be more to your liking.? Those modes allow live keyboard-to-keyboard chats in real time.? The supported modes range from the strictly experimental to the tried-and-true old school standard, RTTY. 73, Tim - K1DC Please distribute this notice widely - all amateurs in the Eastern MA section are welcome to this training. /Don Rolph, AB1PH writes:/ We will be?holding a Zoom session?to help people get configured with FLDIGI: Thursday October 10 7:00 PM ? ~8:30 PM or until?done ?We will go through the configuration?of FLDIGI/FLMSG/FLAMP to work on your amateur radio station.? You will be attending?a Zoom session from?the PC controlling your station.? We will then check to ensure that your configuration is working.? If there are failures, we will work to debug them via screen sharing during the zoom?session.? ?In some cases, issues will be resistant to debugging?during the session and we will deal with these individuals in one on one sessions later. To participate?effectively in the Zoom session, your Zoom session and FLDIGI connected to your?radio should be running on the same computer. The Zoom invitation is: ? Don Rolph is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: FLDIGI Class Time: Oct 10, 2024 07:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86397317457?pwd=NFMfTJun4Du17Hba3uUhB96wImzQva.1 Meeting ID: 863 9731 7457 Passcode: 854541 ? In subsequent weeks we will have Zoom + on-air training for NBEMS and how to interact with a digital traffic net. Please stay tuned for announcements. _._,_._,_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w1es at protonmail.com Sun Oct 6 13:29:03 2024 From: w1es at protonmail.com (Steve Wedge, W1ES) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 18:29:03 +0000 Subject: [bars] Joe Bowker, KB1GP Message-ID: I just found out the other day that Joe, KB1GP, became a silent key in August 2023. Joe was an active BARS member for years, starting in the 80s and was president for at least one term. He was a good friend and was part of a small group of BARS folk who would go camping together back when our kids were young. Joe and his wife, Paula, moved to CA back around '09. As far as I can see, there was no notification in QST, which is why I only just heard the other day, when Paula called us to see if we were okay in our part of NC (we are fine.). 73, Steve Wedge, W1ES Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From douglas.bruce1 at comcast.net Wed Oct 9 07:53:23 2024 From: douglas.bruce1 at comcast.net (DOUGLAS BRUCE) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 08:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [bars] Net Notes W1HH Net Wednesday Night October 9, 2024 Message-ID: <1020271828.639355.1728478404056@connect.xfinity.com> Welcome to this week?s edition of "NET NOTES" !! We will be having our BARS weekly net tonight at 08:00 pm EDT or 00:00 UTC Show your support!! Please join in the fun ? all are most welcome. Doug, N1WRN, will be your host tonight for the festivities! NOTE: CHANGE IN REPEATER ? BARS IS NOW USING WESTFORD!!! Here is the repeater info: QTH: Westford FREQ: 146.955 MHz CALL: WB1GOF Offset: - 0.6 MHz Tone: CTCSS 74.4 Hz NOTICE!! WE NEED VOLUNTEERS TO HELP OUT BY DOING THE NET ONCE EVERY FEW WEEKS!!!! Please contact Doug, N1WRN, for more info. 73, Doug N1WRN Billerica Amateur Radio Society Net Manager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k1cpr at bd5.com Tue Oct 1 07:21:43 2024 From: k1cpr at bd5.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Juan_Jim=C3=A9nez?=) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 08:21:43 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS Message-ID: Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these radios? 73, K1CPR Juan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shawn at dodds1.com Wed Oct 9 19:56:04 2024 From: shawn at dodds1.com (shawn dodds1.com) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:56:04 +0000 Subject: [bars] NTS and traffic handling Zoom training Oct. 14 Message-ID: Greetings all, Traffic handling has been around over 100 years, and was a major reason the ARRL was founded. Learn more about it in this Zoom meeting. No registration required. Details: Interested in NTS and Traffic Handling? Join us Monday, October 14 at 7PM on Zoom and receive training. Hosted by Ray AA1SE (ARRL Western MA Section Manager) and joined by Marcia KW1U (Eastern MA, Western MA and RI Section Traffic Manager), Bob KC1KVY, and Shawn N1CVO, we will provide the training on the basics of proper handling of NTS traffic as well as participating on a net. This will be a combination of videos and open discussion to get started in this aspect of the hobby that's been around for over 100 years. All ham operators are invited to join whether you are experienced or not. Below, please find the link for this training. This will be first come-first served and limited to 100 participants. We hope to see you on Zoom. Any questions email Ray AA1SE at aa1se at arrl.net. Topic: NTS Traffic Training Time: Oct 14, 2024 07:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86391167095?pwd=EE7QXsDKRQPqzlUgZxc4HUfk27Ja9Z.1 Meeting ID: 863 9116 7095 Passcode: 346199 -One tap mobile +19292056099,,86391167095#,,,,*346199# US (New York) +13017158592,,86391167095#,,,,*346199# US (Washington DC) https://wma.arrl.org/blog/2024/09/09/nts-training-on-zoom/ 73, Shawn - N1CVO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From verhulst at comcast.net Wed Oct 9 21:23:37 2024 From: verhulst at comcast.net (Verhulst) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 22:23:37 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. 73s Tony W1DYS WRXD549 On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: > Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier > version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and > need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do > people use these radios? > > 73, > K1CPR > Juan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com Wed Oct 9 21:44:55 2024 From: christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com (Christopher Wood) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 02:44:55 +0000 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away. No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? 73 Christopher KC1GHR ________________________________ From: bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM To: BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. 73s Tony W1DYS WRXD549 On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these radios? 73, K1CPR Juan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwaj.speedo at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 21:56:20 2024 From: kwaj.speedo at gmail.com (Christopher Lennon) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 22:56:20 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only you would need to be licensed. Chris W2BPL On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: > That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it > (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a > couple of miles away. > > No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a > radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe > interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other > projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. > > Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? > > 73 > Christopher > KC1GHR > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < > bars at w1hh.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM > *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS > > Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like > VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me > (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard > anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would > be useful - but so would CB. > > 73s > Tony > W1DYS > WRXD549 > > > On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: > > Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version > of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a > license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these > radios? > > 73, > K1CPR > Juan > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cprestia at comcast.net Thu Oct 10 01:33:09 2024 From: cprestia at comcast.net (cprestia) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 02:33:09 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My wife and two daughters took a road trip to Alabama a few years back with two vehicles.? I bought the license and a 3 pack of radios.? I programed them gave them a quick lesson and taught them to ID with call sign.? They said the radios were the best idea while they were on the road for comms.? ?They could each have one if they were walking around on their own.Yes, they have their phones, but found the radios quite convenient.?Just one example of their possible use.CharlieW1CEP -------- Original message --------From: Christopher Wood Date: 10/10/24 02:13 (GMT-05:00) To: BARS CLUB BROADCAST , Verhulst Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away. No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? 73 Christopher KC1GHR From:?bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars Sent:?Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM To:?BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject:?Re: [bars] GMRS ? Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. 73s Tony W1DYS WRXD549 On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. 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We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to pursue amateur radio level comes.Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC73 PEEPS!CharlieW1CEP -------- Original message --------From: John Schulman via bars Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) To: Christopher Lennon Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is 50W.?JohnW1MVDSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon wrote:?The low end aren?t super expensive.? I don?t know the details of the licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only you would need to be licensed.Chris W2BPLOn Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood wrote: That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away. No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? 73 Christopher KC1GHR From:?bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars Sent:?Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM To:?BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject:?Re: [bars] GMRS ? Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. 73s Tony W1DYS WRXD549 On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these radios? 73, K1CPR Juan _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org _______________________________________________bars mailing listbars at w1hh.orghttp://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scrook at comcast.net Thu Oct 10 08:16:58 2024 From: scrook at comcast.net (Stephen Crook) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 09:16:58 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60BB4CF5-4E05-4C59-A235-1024B9C81D58@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cprestia at comcast.net Thu Oct 10 09:00:35 2024 From: cprestia at comcast.net (cprestia) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 10:00:35 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: <60BB4CF5-4E05-4C59-A235-1024B9C81D58@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ok, 35 bucks.? I stand corrected.TY -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Crook Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) To: cprestia Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon , BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years.?You must be 18 or older to apply, but?family members (licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws),?regardless of age, can operate stations within the licensed system.Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and superior to unlicensed FRS.? ? ? ? = Steve ? KB1LKR =Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote:?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if I'm not mistaken.? We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to pursue amateur radio level comes.Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC73 PEEPS!CharlieW1CEP-------- Original message --------From: John Schulman via bars Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) To: Christopher Lennon Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is 50W.?JohnW1MVDSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon wrote:?The low end aren?t super expensive.? I don?t know the details of the licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only you would need to be licensed.Chris W2BPLOn Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood wrote: That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away. No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? 73 Christopher KC1GHR From:?bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars Sent:?Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM To:?BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject:?Re: [bars] GMRS ? Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. 73s Tony W1DYS WRXD549 On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these radios? 73, K1CPR Juan _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org _______________________________________________bars mailing listbars at w1hh.orghttp://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org_______________________________________________bars mailing listbars at w1hh.orghttp://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billpoulin01913 at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 10:44:44 2024 From: billpoulin01913 at gmail.com (Bill Poulin) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:44:44 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <60BB4CF5-4E05-4C59-A235-1024B9C81D58@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying a radio for GMRS operations. I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have even given them ham radio license manuals. On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars wrote: > Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. > > TY > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Stephen Crook > Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) > To: cprestia > Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < > kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. > > You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's spouse, > children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, > brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws), regardless > of age, can operate stations within the licensed system. > > Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and superior > to unlicensed FRS. > > = Steve ? KB1LKR = > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: > > ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if > I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to > pursue amateur radio level comes. > > Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC > > 73 PEEPS! > > > Charlie > W1CEP > > -------- Original message -------- > From: John Schulman via bars > Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) > To: Christopher Lennon > Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is > 50W. > > [image: iu] > > John > W1MVD > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon > wrote: > > ? > The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the > licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only > you would need to be licensed. > > Chris W2BPL > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < > christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: > >> That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it >> (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a >> couple of miles away. >> >> No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a >> radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe >> interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other >> projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. >> >> Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? >> >> 73 >> Christopher >> KC1GHR >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < >> bars at w1hh.org> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM >> *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >> >> Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like >> VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me >> (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard >> anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would >> be useful - but so would CB. >> >> 73s >> Tony >> W1DYS >> WRXD549 >> >> >> On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: >> >> Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier >> version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need >> to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use >> these radios? >> >> 73, >> K1CPR >> Juan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreyf at comcast.net Thu Oct 10 11:09:24 2024 From: geoffreyf at comcast.net (geoffreyf at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 16:09:24 +0000 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <60BB4CF5-4E05-4C59-A235-1024B9C81D58@comcast.net> Message-ID: I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be evaluated in the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving home, they can read the tech license manual. Geoff W1GCF ________________________________ From: bars on behalf of Bill Poulin Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM To: cprestia Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying a radio for GMRS operations. I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have even given them ham radio license manuals. On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars > wrote: Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. TY -------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Crook > Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) To: cprestia > Cc: John Schulman >, Christopher Lennon >, BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the licensed system. Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and superior to unlicensed FRS. = Steve ? KB1LKR = Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars > wrote: ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to pursue amateur radio level comes. Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC 73 PEEPS! Charlie W1CEP -------- Original message -------- From: John Schulman via bars > Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) To: Christopher Lennon > Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is 50W. John W1MVD Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon > wrote: ? The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only you would need to be licensed. Chris W2BPL On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood > wrote: That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away. No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? 73 Christopher KC1GHR ________________________________ From: bars > on behalf of Verhulst via bars > Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM To: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. 73s Tony W1DYS WRXD549 On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these radios? 73, K1CPR Juan _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k1cpr at bd5.com Thu Oct 10 11:56:19 2024 From: k1cpr at bd5.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Juan_Jim=C3=A9nez?=) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 12:56:19 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <60BB4CF5-4E05-4C59-A235-1024B9C81D58@comcast.net> Message-ID: I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: > I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all channels > which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the license > which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in weight > compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a Baofeng. > Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber ducky > that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small Allen > wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works with a > male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt channels. For > simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. > > We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably isn't, > but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be evaluated in > the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with unlicensed > friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving home, they > can read the tech license manual. > > Geoff W1GCF > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bars on behalf of Bill Poulin < > billpoulin01913 at gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM > *To:* cprestia > *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS > > > I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying a > radio for GMRS operations. > > I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have even > given them ham radio license manuals. > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars wrote: > > Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. > > TY > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Stephen Crook > Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) > To: cprestia > Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < > kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. > > You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's spouse, > children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, > brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws), regardless > of age, can operate stations within the licensed system. > > Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and superior > to unlicensed FRS. > > = Steve ? KB1LKR = > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: > > ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if > I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to > pursue amateur radio level comes. > > Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC > > 73 PEEPS! > > > Charlie > W1CEP > > -------- Original message -------- > From: John Schulman via bars > Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) > To: Christopher Lennon > Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is > 50W. > > > John > W1MVD > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon > wrote: > > ? > The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the > licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only > you would need to be licensed. > > Chris W2BPL > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < > christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: > > That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it > (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a > couple of miles away. > > No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a > radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe > interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other > projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. > > Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? > > 73 > Christopher > KC1GHR > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < > bars at w1hh.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM > *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS > > Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like > VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me > (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard > anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would > be useful - but so would CB. > > 73s > Tony > W1DYS > WRXD549 > > > On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: > > Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version > of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a > license without any tests involved. 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URL: From verhulst at comcast.net Thu Oct 10 12:17:03 2024 From: verhulst at comcast.net (Verhulst) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 13:17:03 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <60BB4CF5-4E05-4C59-A235-1024B9C81D58@comcast.net> Message-ID: <39da7ab8-23e1-4594-ac7c-e5f37f261c1f@comcast.net> On 10/10/2024 12:56 PM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: > > I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is > heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think > it will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special > occasions. > I got the Wouxon KG-805G? - It does have an SMA antena. A little less expensive (~$100) but solidly built. In radios and much else, you get what you pay for IMHO. Tony W1DYS From kwaj.speedo at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 12:17:03 2024 From: kwaj.speedo at gmail.com (Christopher Lennon) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 13:17:03 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <60BB4CF5-4E05-4C59-A235-1024B9C81D58@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we were doing stuff together. Chris W2BPL Sent from my phone. On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is > heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it > will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: > >> I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all >> channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the >> license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in >> weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a >> Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber >> ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small >> Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works >> with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt >> channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. >> >> We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably isn't, >> but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be evaluated in >> the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with unlicensed >> friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving home, they >> can read the tech license manual. >> >> Geoff W1GCF >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* bars on behalf of Bill Poulin < >> billpoulin01913 at gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM >> *To:* cprestia >> *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >> >> >> I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying a >> radio for GMRS operations. >> >> I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have >> even given them ham radio license manuals. >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars wrote: >> >> Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. >> >> TY >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Stephen Crook >> Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) >> To: cprestia >> Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < >> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST >> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >> >> It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. >> >> You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's spouse, >> children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, >> brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws), regardless >> of age, can operate stations within the licensed system. >> >> Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and >> superior to unlicensed FRS. >> >> = Steve ? KB1LKR = >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: >> >> ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if >> I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to >> pursue amateur radio level comes. >> >> Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC >> >> 73 PEEPS! >> >> >> Charlie >> W1CEP >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: John Schulman via bars >> Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) >> To: Christopher Lennon >> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >> >> I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS >> is 50W. >> >> >> John >> W1MVD >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon >> wrote: >> >> ? >> The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the >> licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only >> you would need to be licensed. >> >> Chris W2BPL >> >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < >> christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: >> >> That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it >> (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a >> couple of miles away. >> >> No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a >> radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe >> interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other >> projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. >> >> Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? >> >> 73 >> Christopher >> KC1GHR >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < >> bars at w1hh.org> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM >> *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >> >> Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like >> VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me >> (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard >> anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would >> be useful - but so would CB. >> >> 73s >> Tony >> W1DYS >> WRXD549 >> >> >> On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: >> >> Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier >> version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need >> to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use >> these radios? >> >> 73, >> K1CPR >> Juan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cprestia at comcast.net Thu Oct 10 17:06:07 2024 From: cprestia at comcast.net (cprestia) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 18:06:07 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks.? It was changing literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they were leaving.No matter, it was worth it to us.73CharlieW1CEP -------- Original message --------From: Christopher Lennon Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) To: Juan Jim?nez Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I would buy two.? One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we were doing stuff together. Chris W2BPL Sent from my phone.On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote:I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's.? These have all channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the license which I also got.? I was curious.? They are physically lighter in weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a Baofeng.? Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works with a male SMA antenna.? In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt channels.? For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good.?? ??We can argue if it's just as good.? I'll offer that it probably isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be evaluated in the context of what they cost.? ?If you go on a trip with unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful.? ?While driving home, they can read the tech license manual. Geoff W1GCF From:?bars on behalf of Bill Poulin Sent:?Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM To:?cprestia Cc:?BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject:?Re: [bars] GMRS ? I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying a radio for GMRS operations. I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have even given them ham radio license manuals. On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars wrote: Ok, 35 bucks.? I stand corrected. TY -------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Crook Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) To: cprestia Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon , BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years.? You must be 18 or older to apply, but?family members (licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the licensed system. Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and superior to unlicensed FRS. ? ? ? ? = Steve ? KB1LKR = Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if I'm not mistaken.? We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to pursue amateur radio level comes. Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC 73 PEEPS! Charlie W1CEP -------- Original message -------- From: John Schulman via bars Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) To: Christopher Lennon Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is 50W.? John W1MVD Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon wrote: ? The low end aren?t super expensive.? I don?t know the details of the licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only you would need to be licensed. Chris W2BPL On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood wrote: That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away. No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? 73 Christopher KC1GHR From:?bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars Sent:?Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM To:?BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject:?Re: [bars] GMRS ? Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. 73s Tony W1DYS WRXD549 On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. 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URL: From k1cpr at bd5.com Thu Oct 10 17:45:57 2024 From: k1cpr at bd5.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Juan_Jim=C3=A9nez?=) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 18:45:57 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just wish I could find out how to change the silly voice on the radio of the young chinese girl trying to speak english with a heavy accent. Not giving voice options like Garmin does was a bad idea. 73, K1CPR Juan On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06?PM cprestia wrote: > Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks. It was changing > literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they > were leaving. > > No matter, it was worth it to us. > > 73 > Charlie > W1CEP > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Christopher Lennon > Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) > To: Juan Jim?nez > Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I > would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we > were doing stuff together. > > Chris W2BPL > Sent from my phone. > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > >> I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is >> heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it >> will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: >> >>> I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all >>> channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the >>> license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in >>> weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a >>> Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber >>> ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small >>> Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works >>> with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt >>> channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. >>> >>> We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably isn't, >>> but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be evaluated in >>> the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with unlicensed >>> friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving home, they >>> can read the tech license manual. >>> >>> Geoff W1GCF >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* bars on behalf of Bill Poulin < >>> billpoulin01913 at gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM >>> *To:* cprestia >>> *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>> >>> >>> I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying >>> a radio for GMRS operations. >>> >>> I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have >>> even given them ham radio license manuals. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars wrote: >>> >>> Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. >>> >>> TY >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Stephen Crook >>> Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) >>> To: cprestia >>> Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < >>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>> >>> It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. >>> >>> You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's >>> spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, >>> stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and >>> in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the licensed >>> system. >>> >>> Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and >>> superior to unlicensed FRS. >>> >>> = Steve ? KB1LKR = >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: >>> >>> ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if >>> I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to >>> pursue amateur radio level comes. >>> >>> Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC >>> >>> 73 PEEPS! >>> >>> >>> Charlie >>> W1CEP >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: John Schulman via bars >>> Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) >>> To: Christopher Lennon >>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>> >>> I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS >>> is 50W. >>> >>> >>> John >>> W1MVD >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the >>> licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only >>> you would need to be licensed. >>> >>> Chris W2BPL >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < >>> christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it >>> (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a >>> couple of miles away. >>> >>> No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them >>> a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe >>> interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other >>> projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. >>> >>> Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? >>> >>> 73 >>> Christopher >>> KC1GHR >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < >>> bars at w1hh.org> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM >>> *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>> >>> Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like >>> VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me >>> (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard >>> anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would >>> be useful - but so would CB. >>> >>> 73s >>> Tony >>> W1DYS >>> WRXD549 >>> >>> >>> On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>> >>> Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier >>> version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need >>> to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use >>> these radios? >>> >>> 73, >>> K1CPR >>> Juan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bars mailing list >>> bars at w1hh.org >>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bars mailing list >>> bars at w1hh.org >>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bars mailing list >>> bars at w1hh.org >>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bars mailing list >>> bars at w1hh.org >>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bars mailing list >>> bars at w1hh.org >>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k1cpr at bd5.com Thu Oct 10 17:48:55 2024 From: k1cpr at bd5.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Juan_Jim=C3=A9nez?=) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 18:48:55 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HA! I I found a better solution! Menu 28, "Voice" turn to OFF. :) 73, K1CPR Juan On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:45?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > I just wish I could find out how to change the silly voice on the radio of > the young chinese girl trying to speak english with a heavy accent. Not > giving voice options like Garmin does was a bad idea. > > 73, > K1CPR > Juan > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06?PM cprestia wrote: > >> Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks. It was changing >> literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they >> were leaving. >> >> No matter, it was worth it to us. >> >> 73 >> Charlie >> W1CEP >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Christopher Lennon >> Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) >> To: Juan Jim?nez >> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >> >> I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I >> would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we >> were doing stuff together. >> >> Chris W2BPL >> Sent from my phone. >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >> >>> I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is >>> heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it >>> will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: >>> >>>> I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all >>>> channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the >>>> license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in >>>> weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a >>>> Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber >>>> ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small >>>> Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works >>>> with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt >>>> channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. >>>> >>>> We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably >>>> isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be >>>> evaluated in the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with >>>> unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving >>>> home, they can read the tech license manual. >>>> >>>> Geoff W1GCF >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Bill Poulin < >>>> billpoulin01913 at gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM >>>> *To:* cprestia >>>> *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>> >>>> >>>> I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying >>>> a radio for GMRS operations. >>>> >>>> I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have >>>> even given them ham radio license manuals. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. >>>> >>>> TY >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Stephen Crook >>>> Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) >>>> To: cprestia >>>> Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < >>>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>> >>>> It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. >>>> >>>> You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's >>>> spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, >>>> stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and >>>> in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the licensed >>>> system. >>>> >>>> Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and >>>> superior to unlicensed FRS. >>>> >>>> = Steve ? KB1LKR = >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years >>>> if I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to >>>> pursue amateur radio level comes. >>>> >>>> Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC >>>> >>>> 73 PEEPS! >>>> >>>> >>>> Charlie >>>> W1CEP >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: John Schulman via bars >>>> Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) >>>> To: Christopher Lennon >>>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>> >>>> I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS >>>> is 50W. >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>> W1MVD >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the >>>> licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only >>>> you would need to be licensed. >>>> >>>> Chris W2BPL >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < >>>> christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it >>>> (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a >>>> couple of miles away. >>>> >>>> No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them >>>> a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe >>>> interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other >>>> projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Christopher >>>> KC1GHR >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < >>>> bars at w1hh.org> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM >>>> *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>> >>>> Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like >>>> VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me >>>> (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard >>>> anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would >>>> be useful - but so would CB. >>>> >>>> 73s >>>> Tony >>>> W1DYS >>>> WRXD549 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>>> >>>> Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier >>>> version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need >>>> to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use >>>> these radios? >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> K1CPR >>>> Juan >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> bars mailing list >>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> bars mailing list >>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> bars mailing list >>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> bars mailing list >>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> bars mailing list >>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bars mailing list >>> bars at w1hh.org >>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asmith at netspace.org Fri Oct 11 07:39:28 2024 From: asmith at netspace.org (Adam Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 08:39:28 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There have been a couple of changes over a decade or two, to the FRS and GMRS rules. I believe that at this point FRS handhelds are limited to 2 watts (the table shared earlier being from an earlier version when they were 0.5W) and GMRS handhelds are limited to 5W. Both are required to have a fixed antenna (at least nominally, as noted) and to come out of the box with channels preprogrammed. The GMRS 50W applies to base/mobile style units, I think, which would include repeaters. One idea is that you could have a higher power unit at a campsite or in a vehicle, which could be a repeater too(?). Not sure how much coordination there is for repeaters. I have a TIDRADIO TD-H3, purchased as a ham unit and it enforces appropriate band edges (2m, 70cm). It has FCC certification. The firmware can be reloaded into GMRS mode, but then must be reconfigured (or an unlocked mode, which is called NORMAL, tellingly). Operating it on GMRS is probably at the edge of legality/technicalities of the rules but they do sell a GMRS version which seems to be just the software config changed. I am not a communications lawyer ;). Since it is 5W and I don't think FRS certified, I would say you need a GMRS license at least. I believe GMRS stations can interact with FRS on the shared freqs, but presumably must still identify etc. The TD-H3 (ham version) is a neat little unit. I had to send one back which didn't have good output power, but second one (Amazon free replacement including shipping) works. It is USB-C chargeable and programmable with CHIRP over USB-C. You can clone wirelessly between units. It receives FM broadcast and Airband. You can catch them on sale for under $35. 73, Adam / AA1N On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:50?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > HA! I I found a better solution! Menu 28, "Voice" turn to OFF. :) > > 73, > K1CPR > Juan > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:45?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > >> I just wish I could find out how to change the silly voice on the radio >> of the young chinese girl trying to speak english with a heavy accent. Not >> giving voice options like Garmin does was a bad idea. >> >> 73, >> K1CPR >> Juan >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06?PM cprestia wrote: >> >>> Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks. It was changing >>> literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they >>> were leaving. >>> >>> No matter, it was worth it to us. >>> >>> 73 >>> Charlie >>> W1CEP >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Christopher Lennon >>> Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) >>> To: Juan Jim?nez >>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>> >>> I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I >>> would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we >>> were doing stuff together. >>> >>> Chris W2BPL >>> Sent from my phone. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>> >>>> I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is >>>> heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it >>>> will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all >>>>> channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the >>>>> license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in >>>>> weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a >>>>> Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber >>>>> ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small >>>>> Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works >>>>> with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt >>>>> channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. >>>>> >>>>> We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably >>>>> isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be >>>>> evaluated in the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with >>>>> unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving >>>>> home, they can read the tech license manual. >>>>> >>>>> Geoff W1GCF >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Bill Poulin < >>>>> billpoulin01913 at gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM >>>>> *To:* cprestia >>>>> *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of >>>>> buying a radio for GMRS operations. >>>>> >>>>> I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have >>>>> even given them ham radio license manuals. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. >>>>> >>>>> TY >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Stephen Crook >>>>> Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) >>>>> To: cprestia >>>>> Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < >>>>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>> >>>>> It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. >>>>> >>>>> You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's >>>>> spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, >>>>> stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and >>>>> in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the licensed >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>> Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and >>>>> superior to unlicensed FRS. >>>>> >>>>> = Steve ? KB1LKR = >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years >>>>> if I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to >>>>> pursue amateur radio level comes. >>>>> >>>>> Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC >>>>> >>>>> 73 PEEPS! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Charlie >>>>> W1CEP >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: John Schulman via bars >>>>> Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) >>>>> To: Christopher Lennon >>>>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>> >>>>> I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. >>>>> GMRS is 50W. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> W1MVD >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the >>>>> licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only >>>>> you would need to be licensed. >>>>> >>>>> Chris W2BPL >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < >>>>> christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it >>>>> (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a >>>>> couple of miles away. >>>>> >>>>> No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get >>>>> them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and >>>>> maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other >>>>> projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> Christopher >>>>> KC1GHR >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < >>>>> bars at w1hh.org> >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM >>>>> *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>> >>>>> Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like >>>>> VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me >>>>> (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard >>>>> anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would >>>>> be useful - but so would CB. >>>>> >>>>> 73s >>>>> Tony >>>>> W1DYS >>>>> WRXD549 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier >>>>> version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need >>>>> to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use >>>>> these radios? >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> K1CPR >>>>> Juan >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> bars mailing list >>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> bars mailing list >>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> bars mailing list >>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> bars mailing list >>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> bars mailing list >>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> bars mailing list >>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmarcucci at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 08:06:21 2024 From: dmarcucci at gmail.com (David Marcucci) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 09:06:21 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got my GMRS license while waiting to test for my tech license, WRYP866. I am in a group that is more than just amateur radio folks, they do GMRS/FRS, Meshtastic, Mesh WiFi, and amateur radio. People I talk to like GMRS because there is no test and the license applies to the whole family. Many folks who are there with GMRS have a family with acres of land or they camp, hike, and/or offroad where they use GMRS (or FRS even) and seem happy. We use it as a gateway drug into amateur radio and suggest that adults get their tech license too. I hear there are lots of GMRS repeaters that are not publicized but none are really near me. I also own the Tidradio TD-H3 because I wanted to try the "app-based Bluetooth programming". Short version, it works but it's a pretty crappy experience. Instead, I used Chirp to set up a few different configurations for different QTHs for ham bands, pubic service monitoring, and GMRS. I then "saved" them into my phone so I could quickly swap out configs with just my phone and radio. I like the USB battery charging too. My only advice is to spend a little more and get the H8 with the bigger battery, body/buttons, and output power unless space is a premium and you don't have big fingers. I carry it in my car but usually have my Anytone 878 too so I don't often use it. 73, Dave KC1TLF On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 8:39?AM Adam Smith wrote: > There have been a couple of changes over a decade or two, to the FRS and > GMRS rules. > > I believe that at this point FRS handhelds are limited to 2 watts (the > table shared earlier being from an earlier version when they were 0.5W) and > GMRS handhelds are limited to 5W. Both are required to have a fixed > antenna (at least nominally, as noted) and to come out of the box with > channels preprogrammed. The GMRS 50W applies to base/mobile style units, I > think, which would include repeaters. One idea is that you could have a > higher power unit at a campsite or in a vehicle, which could be a repeater > too(?). Not sure how much coordination there is for repeaters. > > I have a TIDRADIO TD-H3, purchased as a ham unit and it enforces > appropriate band edges (2m, 70cm). It has FCC certification. The firmware > can be reloaded into GMRS mode, but then must be reconfigured (or an > unlocked mode, which is called NORMAL, tellingly). Operating it on GMRS is > probably at the edge of legality/technicalities of the rules but they do > sell a GMRS version which seems to be just the software config changed. I > am not a communications lawyer ;). Since it is 5W and I don't think FRS > certified, I would say you need a GMRS license at least. I believe GMRS > stations can interact with FRS on the shared freqs, but presumably must > still identify etc. > > The TD-H3 (ham version) is a neat little unit. I had to send one back > which didn't have good output power, but second one (Amazon free > replacement including shipping) works. It is USB-C chargeable and > programmable with CHIRP over USB-C. You can clone wirelessly between > units. It receives FM broadcast and Airband. You can catch them on sale > for under $35. > > 73, > Adam / AA1N > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:50?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > >> HA! I I found a better solution! Menu 28, "Voice" turn to OFF. :) >> >> 73, >> K1CPR >> Juan >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:45?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >> >>> I just wish I could find out how to change the silly voice on the radio >>> of the young chinese girl trying to speak english with a heavy accent. Not >>> giving voice options like Garmin does was a bad idea. >>> >>> 73, >>> K1CPR >>> Juan >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06?PM cprestia wrote: >>> >>>> Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks. It was changing >>>> literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they >>>> were leaving. >>>> >>>> No matter, it was worth it to us. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Charlie >>>> W1CEP >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Christopher Lennon >>>> Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) >>>> To: Juan Jim?nez >>>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>> >>>> I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I >>>> would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we >>>> were doing stuff together. >>>> >>>> Chris W2BPL >>>> Sent from my phone. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>>> >>>>> I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is >>>>> heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it >>>>> will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all >>>>>> channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the >>>>>> license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in >>>>>> weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a >>>>>> Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber >>>>>> ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small >>>>>> Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works >>>>>> with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt >>>>>> channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. >>>>>> >>>>>> We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably >>>>>> isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be >>>>>> evaluated in the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with >>>>>> unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving >>>>>> home, they can read the tech license manual. >>>>>> >>>>>> Geoff W1GCF >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Bill Poulin < >>>>>> billpoulin01913 at gmail.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM >>>>>> *To:* cprestia >>>>>> *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of >>>>>> buying a radio for GMRS operations. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have >>>>>> even given them ham radio license manuals. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. >>>>>> >>>>>> TY >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>> From: Stephen Crook >>>>>> Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) >>>>>> To: cprestia >>>>>> Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < >>>>>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>> >>>>>> It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's >>>>>> spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, >>>>>> stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and >>>>>> in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the >>>>>> licensed system. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and >>>>>> superior to unlicensed FRS. >>>>>> >>>>>> = Steve ? KB1LKR = >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years >>>>>> if I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to >>>>>> pursue amateur radio level comes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 PEEPS! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Charlie >>>>>> W1CEP >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>> From: John Schulman via bars >>>>>> Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) >>>>>> To: Christopher Lennon >>>>>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>> >>>>>> I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. >>>>>> GMRS is 50W. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> W1MVD >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon < >>>>>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the >>>>>> licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only >>>>>> you would need to be licensed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris W2BPL >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < >>>>>> christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it >>>>>> (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a >>>>>> couple of miles away. >>>>>> >>>>>> No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get >>>>>> them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and >>>>>> maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other >>>>>> projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> Christopher >>>>>> KC1GHR >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < >>>>>> bars at w1hh.org> >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM >>>>>> *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>> >>>>>> Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like >>>>>> VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me >>>>>> (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard >>>>>> anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would >>>>>> be useful - but so would CB. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73s >>>>>> Tony >>>>>> W1DYS >>>>>> WRXD549 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier >>>>>> version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need >>>>>> to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use >>>>>> these radios? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> K1CPR >>>>>> Juan >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> bars mailing list >>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asmith at netspace.org Fri Oct 11 08:39:40 2024 From: asmith at netspace.org (Adam Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 09:39:40 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David: "Instead, I used Chirp to set up a few different configurations for different QTHs for ham bands, pubic service monitoring, and GMRS. I then "saved" them into my phone so I could quickly swap out configs with just my phone and radio." ... fantastic idea which I should imitate! Chirp is not fantastic by general standards, but it gets the job done and is less painful than the web/app software. The H8 has a bit more power, and is larger - but I think doesn't have airband? There were some cons as well as pros. I find the H3 to be a good size in the hand, and compact for packing etc. Haven't held an H8. Another idea I experimented with - I got the TD-H3 partly as a knock-around fox-hunting unit that I could hand to my kids etc. I found that if you boot it into GMRS mode, you can program ham frequencies which are tunable (receivable) but won't transmit. Now I can hand the unit to an unlicensed friend in the woods, and even if they accidentally hit PTT, no harm done. Or with my kids, put a GMRS channel in dual-watch and we can chat if separated. Could do similar on a multi-car trip or hike/paddle. 73, Adam / AA1N On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:07?AM David Marcucci wrote: > I got my GMRS license while waiting to test for my tech license, WRYP866. > I am in a group that is more than just amateur radio folks, they do > GMRS/FRS, Meshtastic, Mesh WiFi, and amateur radio. People I talk to like > GMRS because there is no test and the license applies to the whole family. > Many folks who are there with GMRS have a family with acres of land or they > camp, hike, and/or offroad where they use GMRS (or FRS even) and seem > happy. We use it as a gateway drug into amateur radio and suggest that > adults get their tech license too. I hear there are lots of GMRS repeaters > that are not publicized but none are really near me. > > I also own the Tidradio TD-H3 because I wanted to try the "app-based > Bluetooth programming". Short version, it works but it's a pretty crappy > experience. Instead, I used Chirp to set up a few different configurations > for different QTHs for ham bands, pubic service monitoring, and GMRS. I > then "saved" them into my phone so I could quickly swap out configs with > just my phone and radio. I like the USB battery charging too. My only > advice is to spend a little more and get the H8 with the bigger battery, > body/buttons, and output power unless space is a premium and you don't have > big fingers. I carry it in my car but usually have my Anytone 878 too so I > don't often use it. > > 73, > Dave > KC1TLF > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 8:39?AM Adam Smith wrote: > >> There have been a couple of changes over a decade or two, to the FRS and >> GMRS rules. >> >> I believe that at this point FRS handhelds are limited to 2 watts (the >> table shared earlier being from an earlier version when they were 0.5W) and >> GMRS handhelds are limited to 5W. Both are required to have a fixed >> antenna (at least nominally, as noted) and to come out of the box with >> channels preprogrammed. The GMRS 50W applies to base/mobile style units, I >> think, which would include repeaters. One idea is that you could have a >> higher power unit at a campsite or in a vehicle, which could be a repeater >> too(?). Not sure how much coordination there is for repeaters. >> >> I have a TIDRADIO TD-H3, purchased as a ham unit and it enforces >> appropriate band edges (2m, 70cm). It has FCC certification. The firmware >> can be reloaded into GMRS mode, but then must be reconfigured (or an >> unlocked mode, which is called NORMAL, tellingly). Operating it on GMRS is >> probably at the edge of legality/technicalities of the rules but they do >> sell a GMRS version which seems to be just the software config changed. I >> am not a communications lawyer ;). Since it is 5W and I don't think FRS >> certified, I would say you need a GMRS license at least. I believe GMRS >> stations can interact with FRS on the shared freqs, but presumably must >> still identify etc. >> >> The TD-H3 (ham version) is a neat little unit. I had to send one back >> which didn't have good output power, but second one (Amazon free >> replacement including shipping) works. It is USB-C chargeable and >> programmable with CHIRP over USB-C. You can clone wirelessly between >> units. It receives FM broadcast and Airband. You can catch them on sale >> for under $35. >> >> 73, >> Adam / AA1N >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:50?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >> >>> HA! I I found a better solution! Menu 28, "Voice" turn to OFF. :) >>> >>> 73, >>> K1CPR >>> Juan >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:45?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>> >>>> I just wish I could find out how to change the silly voice on the radio >>>> of the young chinese girl trying to speak english with a heavy accent. Not >>>> giving voice options like Garmin does was a bad idea. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> K1CPR >>>> Juan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06?PM cprestia wrote: >>>> >>>>> Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks. It was changing >>>>> literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they >>>>> were leaving. >>>>> >>>>> No matter, it was worth it to us. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> Charlie >>>>> W1CEP >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Christopher Lennon >>>>> Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) >>>>> To: Juan Jim?nez >>>>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>> >>>>> I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I >>>>> would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we >>>>> were doing stuff together. >>>>> >>>>> Chris W2BPL >>>>> Sent from my phone. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is >>>>>> heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it >>>>>> will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all >>>>>>> channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the >>>>>>> license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in >>>>>>> weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a >>>>>>> Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber >>>>>>> ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small >>>>>>> Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works >>>>>>> with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt >>>>>>> channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably >>>>>>> isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be >>>>>>> evaluated in the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with >>>>>>> unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving >>>>>>> home, they can read the tech license manual. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Geoff W1GCF >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Bill Poulin < >>>>>>> billpoulin01913 at gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM >>>>>>> *To:* cprestia >>>>>>> *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of >>>>>>> buying a radio for GMRS operations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I >>>>>>> have even given them ham radio license manuals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TY >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>> From: Stephen Crook >>>>>>> Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) >>>>>>> To: cprestia >>>>>>> Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < >>>>>>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's >>>>>>> spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, >>>>>>> stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and >>>>>>> in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the >>>>>>> licensed system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and >>>>>>> superior to unlicensed FRS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> = Steve ? KB1LKR = >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 >>>>>>> years if I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't >>>>>>> want to pursue amateur radio level comes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 PEEPS! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Charlie >>>>>>> W1CEP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>> From: John Schulman via bars >>>>>>> Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) >>>>>>> To: Christopher Lennon >>>>>>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. >>>>>>> GMRS is 50W. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> W1MVD >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon < >>>>>>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the >>>>>>> licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only >>>>>>> you would need to be licensed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris W2BPL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < >>>>>>> christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it >>>>>>> (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a >>>>>>> couple of miles away. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get >>>>>>> them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and >>>>>>> maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other >>>>>>> projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> Christopher >>>>>>> KC1GHR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM >>>>>>> *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like >>>>>>> VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me >>>>>>> (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard >>>>>>> anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would >>>>>>> be useful - but so would CB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73s >>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>> W1DYS >>>>>>> WRXD549 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier >>>>>>> version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need >>>>>>> to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use >>>>>>> these radios? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, >>>>>>> K1CPR >>>>>>> Juan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> bars mailing list >>> bars at w1hh.org >>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> > -- "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch." -Garrison Keillor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scrook at comcast.net Fri Oct 11 08:52:23 2024 From: scrook at comcast.net (Stephen Crook) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 09:52:23 -0400 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From verhulst at comcast.net Fri Oct 11 09:09:37 2024 From: verhulst at comcast.net (Verhulst) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:09:37 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than increasing FCC revenue, of course. 73Tony W1DYS On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: > Here are the current rules for GMRS > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 > > Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: > > ? 95.1763 GMRS channels. > > The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial > channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as > indicated below. > > (a) 462 MHz main channels.?Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, > base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel > center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, > 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. > > (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels.?Only mobile, hand-held portable and > base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center > frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, > 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. > > (c) 467 MHz main channels.?Only mobile, hand-held portable, control > and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held > portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when > communicating through a repeater station or making brief test > transmissions in accordance with ? 95.319(c) > . > The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, > 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. > > (d) 467 MHz interstitial channels.?Only hand-held portable units may > transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: > 467.5625, 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and > 467.7125 MHz. > > > ? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits. > > This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The > maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used > and the type of station. > > (a) 462/467 MHz main channels.The limits in this paragraph apply to > stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of > the 467 MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable > of operating within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are > responsible for ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in > compliance with these limits. > > (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations > must not exceed 50 Watts. > > (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 > Watts. > > (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels.The effective radiated power (ERP) > of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the > 462 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. > > (c) 467 MHz interstitial channels.The effective radiated power (ERP) > of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial > channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable > of transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP > does not exceed 0.5 Watts. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wo1n at comcast.net Fri Oct 11 09:14:29 2024 From: wo1n at comcast.net (KEN CARUSO) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <443400250.719403.1728656069420@connect.xfinity.com> Hi all, All this discussion of GMRS reminded me I have the following for sale from the estate of K1TPC: Audiovox GMRS-2000 GMRS Scanner with NOAA alert Looking to get $40 for it. Money goes to the XYL. 73, Ken - WO1N > On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM EDT Stephen Crook via bars wrote: > > > Here are the current rules for GMRS > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 > > Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: > > ? 95.1763 GMRS channels. > > > The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated below. > > > (a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. > > > (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable and base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. > > > (c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with ? 95.319(c) https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/section-95.319#p-95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. > > > (d) 467 MHz interstitial channels. Only hand-held portable units may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. > > > > ? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits. > > > This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the type of station. > > > (a) 462/467 MHz main channels. The limits in this paragraph apply to stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. > > > (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations must not exceed 50 Watts. > > > (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 Watts. > > > (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. > > > (c) 467 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not exceed 0.5 Watts. > > > > > > = Steve ? KB1LKR = > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Oct 11, 2024, at 9:07?AM, David Marcucci wrote: > > > > > > > I got my GMRS license while waiting to test for my tech license, WRYP866. I am in a group that is more than just amateur radio folks, they do GMRS/FRS, Meshtastic, Mesh WiFi, and amateur radio. People I talk to like GMRS because there is no test and the license applies to the whole family. Many folks who are there with GMRS have a family with acres of land or they camp, hike, and/or offroad where they use GMRS (or FRS even) and seem happy. We use it as a gateway drug into amateur radio and suggest that adults get their tech license too. I hear there are lots of GMRS repeaters that are not publicized but none are really near me. > > > > I also own the Tidradio TD-H3 because I wanted to try the "app-based Bluetooth programming". Short version, it works but it's a pretty crappy experience. Instead, I used Chirp to set up a few different configurations for different QTHs for ham bands, pubic service monitoring, and GMRS. I then "saved" them into my phone so I could quickly swap out configs with just my phone and radio. I like the USB battery charging too. My only advice is to spend a little more and get the H8 with the bigger battery, body/buttons, and output power unless space is a premium and you don't have big fingers. I carry it in my car but usually have my Anytone 878 too so I don't often use it. > > > > 73, > > Dave > > KC1TLF > > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 8:39?AM Adam Smith wrote: > > > > > There have been a couple of changes over a decade or two, to the FRS and GMRS rules. > > > > > > I believe that at this point FRS handhelds are limited to 2 watts (the table shared earlier being from an earlier version when they were 0.5W) and GMRS handhelds are limited to 5W. Both are required to have a fixed antenna (at least nominally, as noted) and to come out of the box with channels preprogrammed. The GMRS 50W applies to base/mobile style units, I think, which would include repeaters. One idea is that you could have a higher power unit at a campsite or in a vehicle, which could be a repeater too(?). Not sure how much coordination there is for repeaters. > > > > > > I have a TIDRADIO TD-H3, purchased as a ham unit and it enforces appropriate band edges (2m, 70cm). It has FCC certification. The firmware can be reloaded into GMRS mode, but then must be reconfigured (or an unlocked mode, which is called NORMAL, tellingly). Operating it on GMRS is probably at the edge of legality/technicalities of the rules but they do sell a GMRS version which seems to be just the software config changed. I am not a communications lawyer ;). Since it is 5W and I don't think FRS certified, I would say you need a GMRS license at least. I believe GMRS stations can interact with FRS on the shared freqs, but presumably must still identify etc. > > > > > > The TD-H3 (ham version) is a neat little unit. I had to send one back which didn't have good output power, but second one (Amazon free replacement including shipping) works. It is USB-C chargeable and programmable with CHIRP over USB-C. You can clone wirelessly between units. It receives FM broadcast and Airband. You can catch them on sale for under $35. > > > > > > 73, > > > Adam / AA1N > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:50?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > > > > > > > HA! I I found a better solution! Menu 28, "Voice" turn to OFF. :) > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > K1CPR > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:45?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just wish I could find out how to change the silly voice on the radio of the young chinese girl trying to speak english with a heavy accent. Not giving voice options like Garmin does was a bad idea. > > > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > K1CPR > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06?PM cprestia wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks. It was changing literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they were leaving. > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter, it was worth it to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > > W1CEP > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > > > > From: Christopher Lennon > > > > > > Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) > > > > > > To: Juan Jim?nez > > > > > > Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we were doing stuff together. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris W2BPL > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my phone. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be evaluated in the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving home, they can read the tech license manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geoff W1GCF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > From: bars on behalf of Bill Poulin > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM > > > > > > > > To: cprestia > > > > > > > > Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying a radio for GMRS operations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have even given them ham radio license manuals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > > > > > > > From: Stephen Crook > > > > > > > > > Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) > > > > > > > > > To: cprestia > > > > > > > > > Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon , BARS CLUB BROADCAST > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the licensed system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and superior to unlicensed FRS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = Steve ? KB1LKR = > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to pursue amateur radio level comes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73 PEEPS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > > > > > > W1CEP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > > > > > > > > From: John Schulman via bars > > > > > > > > > > Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) > > > > > > > > > > To: Christopher Lennon > > > > > > > > > > Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is 50W. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > W1MVD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only you would need to be licensed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris W2BPL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher > > > > > > > > > > > > KC1GHR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73s > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > W1DYS > > > > > > > > > > > > WRXD549 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these radios? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > > > > > > > > K1CPR > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > bars mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > bars at w1hh.org mailto:bars at w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > bars mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > bars at w1hh.org mailto:bars at w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > bars mailing list > > > > > > > > > > bars at w1hh.org mailto:bars at w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > bars mailing list > > > > > > > > > bars at w1hh.org mailto:bars at w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > bars mailing list > > > > > > > > bars at w1hh.org mailto:bars at w1hh.org > > > > > > > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > bars mailing list > > > > > > > bars at w1hh.org mailto:bars at w1hh.org > > > > > > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > bars mailing list > > > > bars at w1hh.org mailto:bars at w1hh.org > > > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > bars mailing list > > > bars at w1hh.org mailto:bars at w1hh.org > > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bars mailing list > > bars at w1hh.org > > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreyf at comcast.net Fri Oct 11 09:29:09 2024 From: geoffreyf at comcast.net (geoffreyf at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 14:29:09 +0000 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: The point is regulation. There are all sorts of things regulated by license for which there is no or minimal testing. Revenue may be part of it, but one must provide the license call sign on request if operating over ? watt. CB once required a similar license. The revenue, at least theoretically, supports monitoring and enforcement. GMRS bands don't seem very active. A more interesting question would be why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional license or charge? Geoff ________________________________ From: bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 10:09 AM Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than increasing FCC revenue, of course. 73Tony W1DYS On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: Here are the current rules for GMRS https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: ? 95.1763 GMRS channels. The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated below. (a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable and base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. (c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with ? 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. (d) 467 MHz interstitial channels. Only hand-held portable units may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. ? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits. This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the type of station. (a) 462/467 MHz main channels. The limits in this paragraph apply to stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations must not exceed 50 Watts. (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 Watts. (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. (c) 467 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not exceed 0.5 Watts. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwaj.speedo at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 09:31:54 2024 From: kwaj.speedo at gmail.com (Christopher Lennon) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:31:54 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: I doubt the license fee is more than it actually costs to do the processing and record keeping. I suspect that the license is an attempt to ensure that it does not become the wild west. If you are unlicensed then you are at (extremely limited) legal risk. If you are licensed then you have very formally, and at the cost of 35 bucks, agreed to abide by the rules. So you are at (very limited) risk if you violate the rules. I think FRS is unlicensed because the power is so limited, that they are unlikely to step on anyone's toes. Chris W2BPL Sent from my phone. On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 10:10?AM Verhulst via bars wrote: > If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than > increasing FCC revenue, of course. > > 73Tony W1DYS > > > On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: > > Here are the current rules for GMRS > > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 > > Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: > > ? 95.1763 GMRS channels. > > The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial > channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated > below. > > (a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, > base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel > center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, > 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. > > (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable and > base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center > frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, > 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. > > (c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and > fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable > and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating > through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance > with ? 95.319(c) > . The > channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, > 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. > > (d) 467 MHz interstitial channels. Only hand-held portable units may > transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, > 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. > > ? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits. > > This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The > maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the > type of station. > > (a) 462/467 MHz main channels. The limits in this paragraph apply to > stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 > MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating > within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for > ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. > > (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations > must not exceed 50 Watts. > > (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 > Watts. > > (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of > mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz > interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. > > (c) 467 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of > hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial channels > must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of > transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not > exceed 0.5 Watts. > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The 2W I referred to is from the 2017 updated rules which extended the sharing of channels between FRS and GMRS, and applies to FRS radios on a subset of the now-shared channels. If you use FRS ("license-free"/by-type) with family and friends, this is one of the gotchas: some channels operate at 2W and others at 0.5W (presuming a recent radio programmed for the new limits) - on a bubble-pack radio the user may have no indication but some channels will be "stronger" than others... Adam / AA1N >From Wikipedia: In May 2017, the FCC significantly revised the rules for combination FRS/GMRS radios. Combination radios will be permitted to radiate up to 2 watts on 15 of the 22 channels (as opposed to 0.5 watts), and all FRS channels are now considered shared with the GMRS service. Operation over 2 watts, or operation on GMRS repeater input channels, will still require GMRS licensing. The FCC will not certify combination FRS/GMRS radios that exceed the current power limits for the FRS service.[1] On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:53?AM Stephen Crook wrote: > Here are the current rules for GMRS > > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 > > Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: > > ? 95.1763 GMRS channels. > > The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial > channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated > below. > > (a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, > base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel > center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, > 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. > > (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable and > base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center > frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, > 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. > > (c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and > fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable > and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating > through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance > with ? 95.319(c) > . The > channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, > 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. > > (d) 467 MHz interstitial channels. Only hand-held portable units may > transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, > 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. > > ? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits. > > This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The > maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the > type of station. > > (a) 462/467 MHz main channels. The limits in this paragraph apply to > stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 > MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating > within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for > ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. > > (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations > must not exceed 50 Watts. > > (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 > Watts. > > (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of > mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz > interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. > > (c) 467 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of > hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial channels > must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of > transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not > exceed 0.5 Watts. > > > = Steve ? KB1LKR = > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 11, 2024, at 9:07?AM, David Marcucci wrote: > > ? > I got my GMRS license while waiting to test for my tech license, WRYP866. > I am in a group that is more than just amateur radio folks, they do > GMRS/FRS, Meshtastic, Mesh WiFi, and amateur radio. People I talk to like > GMRS because there is no test and the license applies to the whole family. > Many folks who are there with GMRS have a family with acres of land or they > camp, hike, and/or offroad where they use GMRS (or FRS even) and seem > happy. We use it as a gateway drug into amateur radio and suggest that > adults get their tech license too. I hear there are lots of GMRS repeaters > that are not publicized but none are really near me. > > I also own the Tidradio TD-H3 because I wanted to try the "app-based > Bluetooth programming". Short version, it works but it's a pretty crappy > experience. Instead, I used Chirp to set up a few different configurations > for different QTHs for ham bands, pubic service monitoring, and GMRS. I > then "saved" them into my phone so I could quickly swap out configs with > just my phone and radio. I like the USB battery charging too. My only > advice is to spend a little more and get the H8 with the bigger battery, > body/buttons, and output power unless space is a premium and you don't have > big fingers. I carry it in my car but usually have my Anytone 878 too so I > don't often use it. > > 73, > Dave > KC1TLF > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 8:39?AM Adam Smith wrote: > >> There have been a couple of changes over a decade or two, to the FRS and >> GMRS rules. >> >> I believe that at this point FRS handhelds are limited to 2 watts (the >> table shared earlier being from an earlier version when they were 0.5W) and >> GMRS handhelds are limited to 5W. Both are required to have a fixed >> antenna (at least nominally, as noted) and to come out of the box with >> channels preprogrammed. The GMRS 50W applies to base/mobile style units, I >> think, which would include repeaters. One idea is that you could have a >> higher power unit at a campsite or in a vehicle, which could be a repeater >> too(?). Not sure how much coordination there is for repeaters. >> >> I have a TIDRADIO TD-H3, purchased as a ham unit and it enforces >> appropriate band edges (2m, 70cm). It has FCC certification. The firmware >> can be reloaded into GMRS mode, but then must be reconfigured (or an >> unlocked mode, which is called NORMAL, tellingly). Operating it on GMRS is >> probably at the edge of legality/technicalities of the rules but they do >> sell a GMRS version which seems to be just the software config changed. I >> am not a communications lawyer ;). Since it is 5W and I don't think FRS >> certified, I would say you need a GMRS license at least. I believe GMRS >> stations can interact with FRS on the shared freqs, but presumably must >> still identify etc. >> >> The TD-H3 (ham version) is a neat little unit. I had to send one back >> which didn't have good output power, but second one (Amazon free >> replacement including shipping) works. It is USB-C chargeable and >> programmable with CHIRP over USB-C. You can clone wirelessly between >> units. It receives FM broadcast and Airband. You can catch them on sale >> for under $35. >> >> 73, >> Adam / AA1N >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:50?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >> >>> HA! I I found a better solution! Menu 28, "Voice" turn to OFF. :) >>> >>> 73, >>> K1CPR >>> Juan >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:45?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>> >>>> I just wish I could find out how to change the silly voice on the radio >>>> of the young chinese girl trying to speak english with a heavy accent. Not >>>> giving voice options like Garmin does was a bad idea. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> K1CPR >>>> Juan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06?PM cprestia wrote: >>>> >>>>> Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks. It was changing >>>>> literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they >>>>> were leaving. >>>>> >>>>> No matter, it was worth it to us. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> Charlie >>>>> W1CEP >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Christopher Lennon >>>>> Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) >>>>> To: Juan Jim?nez >>>>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>> >>>>> I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I >>>>> would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we >>>>> were doing stuff together. >>>>> >>>>> Chris W2BPL >>>>> Sent from my phone. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57?PM Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is >>>>>> heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it >>>>>> will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all >>>>>>> channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the >>>>>>> license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in >>>>>>> weight compared to Ham HT's and less well built physically than even a >>>>>>> Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber >>>>>>> ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small >>>>>>> Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works >>>>>>> with a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt >>>>>>> channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably >>>>>>> isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be >>>>>>> evaluated in the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with >>>>>>> unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful. While driving >>>>>>> home, they can read the tech license manual. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Geoff W1GCF >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Bill Poulin < >>>>>>> billpoulin01913 at gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM >>>>>>> *To:* cprestia >>>>>>> *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of >>>>>>> buying a radio for GMRS operations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I >>>>>>> have even given them ham radio license manuals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TY >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>> From: Stephen Crook >>>>>>> Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00) >>>>>>> To: cprestia >>>>>>> Cc: John Schulman , Christopher Lennon < >>>>>>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com>, BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is (as of 2017) now only $35 and is good for 10 years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You must be 18 or older to apply, but family members (licensee's >>>>>>> spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, >>>>>>> stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and >>>>>>> in-laws), regardless of age, can operate stations within the >>>>>>> licensed system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and >>>>>>> superior to unlicensed FRS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> = Steve ? KB1LKR = >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38?AM, cprestia via bars >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 >>>>>>> years if I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't >>>>>>> want to pursue amateur radio level comes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 PEEPS! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Charlie >>>>>>> W1CEP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>> From: John Schulman via bars >>>>>>> Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00) >>>>>>> To: Christopher Lennon >>>>>>> Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. >>>>>>> GMRS is 50W. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> W1MVD >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon < >>>>>>> kwaj.speedo at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the >>>>>>> licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only >>>>>>> you would need to be licensed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris W2BPL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood < >>>>>>> christopher.wood at firelinkllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it >>>>>>> (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a >>>>>>> couple of miles away. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get >>>>>>> them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and >>>>>>> maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other >>>>>>> projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>> Christopher >>>>>>> KC1GHR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM >>>>>>> *To:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bars] GMRS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like >>>>>>> VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me >>>>>>> (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard >>>>>>> anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would >>>>>>> be useful - but so would CB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73s >>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>> W1DYS >>>>>>> WRXD549 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier >>>>>>> version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need >>>>>>> to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use >>>>>>> these radios? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, >>>>>>> K1CPR >>>>>>> Juan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> bars mailing list >>>>>> bars at w1hh.org >>>>>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> bars mailing list >>> bars at w1hh.org >>> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > -- "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch." -Garrison Keillor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asmith at netspace.org Fri Oct 11 09:42:20 2024 From: asmith at netspace.org (Adam Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:42:20 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: "A more interesting question would be why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional license or charge?" IMHO, for the same reason that we can't operate on CB frequencies - the allocation is reserved for a different user base, with different purposes, and subject to different entry criteria and corresponding rules. If you have that need, get that license (by buying an FRS certified unit, or sending the FCC the very nominal GMRS fee). Adam On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:30?AM geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: > The point is regulation. There are all sorts of things regulated by > license for which there is no or minimal testing. Revenue may be part of > it, but one must provide the license call sign on request if operating over > ? watt. CB once required a similar license. The revenue, at least > theoretically, supports monitoring and enforcement. > > GMRS bands don't seem very active. A more interesting question would be > why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional > license or charge? > > Geoff > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < > bars at w1hh.org> > *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 10:09 AM > *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS > > If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than > increasing FCC revenue, of course. > > 73Tony W1DYS > > > On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: > > Here are the current rules for GMRS > > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 > > Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: > > *? 95.1763 GMRS channels.* > > The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial > channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated > below. > > (a) *462 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, > base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel > center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, > 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. > > (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable and > base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center > frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, > 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. > > (c) *467 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and > fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable > and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating > through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance > with ? 95.319(c) > . The > channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, > 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. > > (d) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* Only hand-held portable units may > transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, > 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. > > *? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits.* > > This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The > maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the > type of station. > > (a) *462/467 MHz main channels.* The limits in this paragraph apply to > stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 > MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating > within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for > ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. > > (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations > must not exceed 50 Watts. > > (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 > Watts. > > (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) > of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz > interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. > > (c) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) > of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial > channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of > transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not > exceed 0.5 Watts. > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -- "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch." -Garrison Keillor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwaj.speedo at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 09:58:49 2024 From: kwaj.speedo at gmail.com (Christopher Lennon) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:58:49 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: So, think of it from the standard GMRS user's point of view. They just want to use radios to communicate with friends/family while doing stuff. They don't care about the radio. They don't care much about rules except that if they use the equipment that a licensee hands them and use the licensee's call sign they are within them. They have their very own little piece of spectrum to do this sort of comm. The usual GMRS user would have ZERO interest in the conversation we are having now. So why would GMRS users want to invite in a bunch of radio nerds who want to talk about radios and rules and whether they will get a haircut today? Really, it is best to keep these worlds separate. Chris W2BPL Sent from my phone. On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 10:30?AM geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: > The point is regulation. There are all sorts of things regulated by > license for which there is no or minimal testing. Revenue may be part of > it, but one must provide the license call sign on request if operating over > ? watt. CB once required a similar license. The revenue, at least > theoretically, supports monitoring and enforcement. > > GMRS bands don't seem very active. A more interesting question would be > why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional > license or charge? > > Geoff > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < > bars at w1hh.org> > *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 10:09 AM > *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS > > If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than > increasing FCC revenue, of course. > > 73Tony W1DYS > > > On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: > > Here are the current rules for GMRS > > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 > > Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: > > *? 95.1763 GMRS channels.* > > The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial > channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated > below. > > (a) *462 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, > base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel > center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, > 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. > > (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable and > base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center > frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, > 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. > > (c) *467 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and > fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable > and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating > through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance > with ? 95.319(c) > . The > channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, > 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. > > (d) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* Only hand-held portable units may > transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, > 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. > > *? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits.* > > This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The > maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the > type of station. > > (a) *462/467 MHz main channels.* The limits in this paragraph apply to > stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 > MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating > within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for > ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. > > (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations > must not exceed 50 Watts. > > (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 > Watts. > > (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) > of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz > interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. > > (c) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) > of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial > channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of > transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not > exceed 0.5 Watts. > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreyf at comcast.net Fri Oct 11 11:10:43 2024 From: geoffreyf at comcast.net (geoffreyf at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 16:10:43 +0000 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: Actually, we can operate on CB or GMRS using equipment sold for that purpose. We are not restricted because we are hams. We only have to use GMRS equipment. Also, GMRS is a channelized service, so if we did / could operate in the GMRS band, we would have to set our equipment to the channel restrictions (different for different channels). There are other bands we share with other services, so in this regard it is the same. As licensees we must yield to, and not interfere with the other users of the frequencies. So, I repeat, if we are operating within the channel definitions of frequency, bandwidth, offset, and power - albeit with non-GMRS equipment, why not? We have taken tests that demonstrate we know what we are supposed to do and not do, so that also would apply. It's not a public safety, marine, aviation, commercial channel, so that's not an issue. At the end of the day, the only effect of the restriction is that we have to buy GMRS equipment to operate legally. I think the answer is that GMRS equipment manufacturers want to sell their stuff and defray the costs of type approval for the band. Any other reason? Geoff / W1GCF ________________________________ From: Adam Smith Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 10:42 AM To: geoffreyf at comcast.net Cc: Verhulst ; BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS "A more interesting question would be why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional license or charge?" IMHO, for the same reason that we can't operate on CB frequencies - the allocation is reserved for a different user base, with different purposes, and subject to different entry criteria and corresponding rules. If you have that need, get that license (by buying an FRS certified unit, or sending the FCC the very nominal GMRS fee). Adam On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:30?AM geoffreyf--- via bars > wrote: The point is regulation. There are all sorts of things regulated by license for which there is no or minimal testing. Revenue may be part of it, but one must provide the license call sign on request if operating over ? watt. CB once required a similar license. The revenue, at least theoretically, supports monitoring and enforcement. GMRS bands don't seem very active. A more interesting question would be why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional license or charge? Geoff ________________________________ From: bars > on behalf of Verhulst via bars > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 10:09 AM Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than increasing FCC revenue, of course. 73Tony W1DYS On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: Here are the current rules for GMRS https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: ? 95.1763 GMRS channels. The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated below. (a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable and base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. (c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with ? 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. (d) 467 MHz interstitial channels. Only hand-held portable units may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. ? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits. This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the type of station. (a) 462/467 MHz main channels. The limits in this paragraph apply to stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations must not exceed 50 Watts. (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 Watts. (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. (c) 467 MHz interstitial channels. The effective radiated power (ERP) of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not exceed 0.5 Watts. _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org -- "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch." -Garrison Keillor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scrook at comcast.net Fri Oct 11 11:37:42 2024 From: scrook at comcast.net (Stephen Crook) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:37:42 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwaggy at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 11:47:25 2024 From: mwaggy at gmail.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:47:25 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: Geoff, I might be misunderstanding you, but I wanted to clarify a couple things: On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 12:11?PM geoffreyf--- via bars wrote: > Actually, we can operate on CB or GMRS using equipment sold for that > purpose. We are not restricted because we are hams. We only have to use > GMRS equipment. > A ham license does not convey authority to operate on GMRS. It is a separate service, requiring a separate license, per section 95.1705 . Also, GMRS is a channelized service, so if we did / could operate in the > GMRS band, we would have to set our equipment to the channel restrictions > (different for different channels). There are other bands we share with > other services, so in this regard it is the same. As licensees we must > yield to, and not interfere with the other users of the frequencies. > GMRS is a separate service . Our ham licenses convey no privileges in the 462 or 467 MHz ranges. So, I repeat, if we are operating within the channel definitions of > frequency, bandwidth, offset, and power - albeit with non-GMRS equipment, > why not? We have taken tests that demonstrate we know what we are > supposed to do and not do, so that also would apply. It's not a public > safety, marine, aviation, commercial channel, so that's not an issue. > As you said, we have taken tests proving that we know what we're supposed to do. A ham license does not authorize us to transmit everywhere on the spectrum unless it's used by public safety, marine, aviation, or commercial users. It gives us authority to operate on the ham bands. I think the answer is that GMRS equipment manufacturers want to sell their > stuff and defray the costs of type approval for the band. > > Any other reason? > Because it is required by law: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E/section-95.1761 > > Geoff / W1GCF > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Adam Smith > *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 10:42 AM > *To:* geoffreyf at comcast.net > *Cc:* Verhulst ; BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* Re: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS > > "A more interesting question would be why can't licensed hams operate on > those frequencies without an additional license or charge?" > > IMHO, for the same reason that we can't operate on CB frequencies - the > allocation is reserved for a different user base, with different purposes, > and subject to different entry criteria and corresponding rules. If you > have that need, get that license (by buying an FRS certified unit, or > sending the FCC the very nominal GMRS fee). > > Adam > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:30?AM geoffreyf--- via bars > wrote: > > The point is regulation. There are all sorts of things regulated by > license for which there is no or minimal testing. Revenue may be part of > it, but one must provide the license call sign on request if operating over > ? watt. CB once required a similar license. The revenue, at least > theoretically, supports monitoring and enforcement. > > GMRS bands don't seem very active. A more interesting question would be > why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional > license or charge? > > Geoff > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < > bars at w1hh.org> > *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 10:09 AM > *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS > > If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than > increasing FCC revenue, of course. > > 73Tony W1DYS > > > On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: > > Here are the current rules for GMRS > > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 > > Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: > > *? 95.1763 GMRS channels.* > > The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial > channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated > below. > > (a) *462 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, > base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel > center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, > 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. > > (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable and > base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center > frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, > 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. > > (c) *467 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and > fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable > and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating > through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance > with ? 95.319(c) > . The > channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, > 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. > > (d) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* Only hand-held portable units may > transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, > 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. > > *? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits.* > > This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The > maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the > type of station. > > (a) *462/467 MHz main channels.* The limits in this paragraph apply to > stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 > MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating > within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for > ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. > > (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations > must not exceed 50 Watts. > > (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 > Watts. > > (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) > of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz > interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. > > (c) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) > of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial > channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of > transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not > exceed 0.5 Watts. > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > -- > "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch." -Garrison Keillor > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From verhulst at comcast.net Fri Oct 11 12:02:09 2024 From: verhulst at comcast.net (Verhulst) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 13:02:09 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <21106379-1cb2-46b0-aff7-0f3dcd2281ed@comcast.net> My Anytone 778UV will tune to AND transmit on the GMRS frequencies/channels. Since transmissions are NOT band restricted on this inexpensive radio, you do need to be careful. For example, observe the 5 Watt limit on channels 1 - 7 and do not transmit at all on channels 8-14 that are restricted to 0.5 Watts? (not to mention transmitting if monitoring local law enforcement). 73 Tony W1DYS On 10/11/2024 12:10 PM, geoffreyf at comcast.net wrote: > At the end of the day, the only effect of the restriction is that we > have to buy GMRS equipment to operate legally. > > I think the answer is that GMRS equipment manufacturers want to sell > their stuff and defray the costs of type approval for the band. > > Any other reason? > > Geoff? / W1GCF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asmith at netspace.org Fri Oct 11 12:09:15 2024 From: asmith at netspace.org (Adam Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 13:09:15 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: Geoff - "There are other bands we share with other services, so in this regard it is the same." I think this is a false analogy. Where amateurs share bands today with other services, we act as hams and not as users/licensees of the services sharing the allocation. Hams talking to hams on FRS/GMRS frequencies doesn't make sense when we have substantial allocations of our own equivalent bands. Hams talking to FRS/GMRS users would basically make us users of that service. See below. "if we are operating within the channel definitions of frequency, bandwidth, offset, and power - albeit with non-GMRS equipment, why not?" Factual answer - because that's how they wrote the rules - FRS and GMRS require type-accepted equipment, and ham equipment isn't type-accepted for FRS/GMRS (which requires that it not be able to transmit outside those allcoations). More general answer: we can all have opinions on how it might/ought to be - at the end of the day, the FCC sets the rules, and there is value in administrative clarity / division between different uses. The rules for FRS are that anyone can use it, as long as the equipment meets requirements and is certified. I think this applies to CB as well, right? The rules for GMRS are that anyone can ask the FCC for a license, and use certified equipment in line with operational requirements which are mostly enforced by the gear. The rules for the Amateur Service require passing a knowledge test, and grant correspondingly greater privileges both in terms of our rights to use non-certified equipment, and the significant primary and secondary allocations of spectrum we are privileged to use. Hams have also demonstrated a certain degree of self-regulation in both the licensing process and operating practice that supports the FCC. If they allowed hams to use GMRS (or FRS) without the restrictions placed on other users, then they'd have to write the legal language to allow and characterize that use into the regulation. That would make it harder to understand and perhaps leave room for abuse/conflicting uses. I see it as a "good fences make good neighbors" situation. The rules are clear in each domain and apply to everyone equally. The practical barrier to entry for FRS/GMRS is very low, especially when you can buy certified radios for less than the cost of a decent lunch. The GMRS ticket costs less than a latte per year, and none is required for FRS. That said, I don't expect the black helicopters to show up with FCC enforcement officers, if you PTT on FRS/GMRS using your widebanded HT :). Adam / AA1N On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 12:11?PM geoffreyf at comcast.net < geoffreyf at comcast.net> wrote: > Actually, we can operate on CB or GMRS using equipment sold for that > purpose. We are not restricted because we are hams. We only have to use > GMRS equipment. > > Also, GMRS is a channelized service, so if we did / could operate in the > GMRS band, we would have to set our equipment to the channel restrictions > (different for different channels). There are other bands we share with > other services, so in this regard it is the same. As licensees we must > yield to, and not interfere with the other users of the frequencies. > > So, I repeat, if we are operating within the channel definitions of > frequency, bandwidth, offset, and power - albeit with non-GMRS equipment, > why not? We have taken tests that demonstrate we know what we are > supposed to do and not do, so that also would apply. It's not a public > safety, marine, aviation, commercial channel, so that's not an issue. > > At the end of the day, the only effect of the restriction is that we have > to buy GMRS equipment to operate legally. > > I think the answer is that GMRS equipment manufacturers want to sell their > stuff and defray the costs of type approval for the band. > > Any other reason? > > Geoff / W1GCF > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Adam Smith > *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 10:42 AM > *To:* geoffreyf at comcast.net > *Cc:* Verhulst ; BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* Re: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS > > "A more interesting question would be why can't licensed hams operate on > those frequencies without an additional license or charge?" > > IMHO, for the same reason that we can't operate on CB frequencies - the > allocation is reserved for a different user base, with different purposes, > and subject to different entry criteria and corresponding rules. If you > have that need, get that license (by buying an FRS certified unit, or > sending the FCC the very nominal GMRS fee). > > Adam > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:30?AM geoffreyf--- via bars > wrote: > > The point is regulation. There are all sorts of things regulated by > license for which there is no or minimal testing. Revenue may be part of > it, but one must provide the license call sign on request if operating over > ? watt. CB once required a similar license. The revenue, at least > theoretically, supports monitoring and enforcement. > > GMRS bands don't seem very active. A more interesting question would be > why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional > license or charge? > > Geoff > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < > bars at w1hh.org> > *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 10:09 AM > *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST > *Subject:* [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS > > If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than > increasing FCC revenue, of course. > > 73Tony W1DYS > > > On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: > > Here are the current rules for GMRS > > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 > > Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: > > *? 95.1763 GMRS channels.* > > The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial > channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated > below. > > (a) *462 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, > base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel > center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, > 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. > > (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable and > base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center > frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, > 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. > > (c) *467 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and > fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable > and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating > through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance > with ? 95.319(c) > . The > channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, > 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. > > (d) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* Only hand-held portable units may > transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, > 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. > > *? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits.* > > This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The > maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the > type of station. > > (a) *462/467 MHz main channels.* The limits in this paragraph apply to > stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 > MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating > within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for > ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. > > (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations > must not exceed 50 Watts. > > (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 > Watts. > > (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) > of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz > interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. > > (c) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) > of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial > channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of > transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not > exceed 0.5 Watts. > > _______________________________________________ > bars mailing list > bars at w1hh.org > http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org > > > > -- > "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch." -Garrison Keillor > -- "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch." -Garrison Keillor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwaggy at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 14:18:21 2024 From: mwaggy at gmail.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:18:21 -0400 Subject: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS In-Reply-To: References: <487533CD-3E9F-4AE7-894D-19636288900E@comcast.net> Message-ID: All, I just talked to Geoff offline. I completely misunderstood his email, and worry I may have steered others wrong in replying as I did. I feel I owe him an apology. It is, of course, factually correct that a ham license doesn?t give us privileges on GMRS, but this isn?t what Geoff was saying, and I should have realized that. I missed the context that the thread I was replying to was discussing how the rules could be amended, rather than being a statement of fact. I have nothing useful to contribute to that discussion, so I?ll shut up now, but I just wanted to apologize for inadvertently replying to his email out of context and being too daft to realize it at the time. 73, Matt, N1ZYY On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 12:47 Matt Wagner wrote: > Geoff, > > I might be misunderstanding you, but I wanted to clarify a couple things: > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 12:11?PM geoffreyf--- via bars > wrote: > >> Actually, we can operate on CB or GMRS using equipment sold for that >> purpose. We are not restricted because we are hams. We only have to use >> GMRS equipment. >> > > A ham license does not convey authority to operate on GMRS. It is a > separate service, requiring a separate license, per section 95.1705 > . > > > Also, GMRS is a channelized service, so if we did / could operate in the >> GMRS band, we would have to set our equipment to the channel restrictions >> (different for different channels). There are other bands we share with >> other services, so in this regard it is the same. As licensees we must >> yield to, and not interfere with the other users of the frequencies. >> > > GMRS is a separate service > . > Our ham licenses convey no privileges in the 462 or 467 MHz ranges. > > > So, I repeat, if we are operating within the channel definitions of >> frequency, bandwidth, offset, and power - albeit with non-GMRS equipment, >> why not? We have taken tests that demonstrate we know what we are >> supposed to do and not do, so that also would apply. It's not a public >> safety, marine, aviation, commercial channel, so that's not an issue. >> > > As you said, we have taken tests proving that we know what we're supposed > to do. > > A ham license does not authorize us to transmit everywhere on the spectrum > unless it's used by public safety, marine, aviation, or commercial users. > It gives us authority to operate on the ham bands. > > > I think the answer is that GMRS equipment manufacturers want to sell their >> stuff and defray the costs of type approval for the band. >> >> Any other reason? >> > > Because it is required by law: > https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E/section-95.1761 > > >> >> Geoff / W1GCF >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Adam Smith >> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 10:42 AM >> *To:* geoffreyf at comcast.net >> *Cc:* Verhulst ; BARS CLUB BROADCAST > > >> *Subject:* Re: [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS >> >> "A more interesting question would be why can't licensed hams operate on >> those frequencies without an additional license or charge?" >> >> IMHO, for the same reason that we can't operate on CB frequencies - the >> allocation is reserved for a different user base, with different purposes, >> and subject to different entry criteria and corresponding rules. If you >> have that need, get that license (by buying an FRS certified unit, or >> sending the FCC the very nominal GMRS fee). >> >> Adam >> >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 10:30?AM geoffreyf--- via bars >> wrote: >> >> The point is regulation. There are all sorts of things regulated by >> license for which there is no or minimal testing. Revenue may be part of >> it, but one must provide the license call sign on request if operating over >> ? watt. CB once required a similar license. The revenue, at least >> theoretically, supports monitoring and enforcement. >> >> GMRS bands don't seem very active. A more interesting question would be >> why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional >> license or charge? >> >> Geoff >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* bars on behalf of Verhulst via bars < >> bars at w1hh.org> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2024 10:09 AM >> *Cc:* BARS CLUB BROADCAST >> *Subject:* [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS >> >> If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than >> increasing FCC revenue, of course. >> >> 73Tony W1DYS >> >> >> On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote: >> >> Here are the current rules for GMRS >> >> https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1 >> >> Including channels (FRS = interstitial) and power limits: >> >> *? 95.1763 GMRS channels.* >> >> The GMRS is allotted 30 channels?16 main channels and 14 interstitial >> channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated >> below. >> >> (a) *462 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, >> base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel >> center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, >> 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. >> >> (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable and >> base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center >> frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, >> 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. >> >> (c) *467 MHz main channels.* Only mobile, hand-held portable, control >> and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held >> portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when >> communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions >> in accordance with ? 95.319(c) >> . The >> channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, >> 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. >> >> (d) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* Only hand-held portable units may >> transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, >> 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz. >> >> *? 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits.* >> >> This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The >> maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the >> type of station. >> >> (a) *462/467 MHz main channels.* The limits in this paragraph apply to >> stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 >> MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter type must be capable of operating >> within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for >> ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits. >> >> (1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations >> must not exceed 50 Watts. >> >> (2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 >> Watts. >> >> (b) *462 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) >> of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz >> interstitial channels must not exceed 5 Watts. >> >> (c) *467 MHz interstitial channels.* The effective radiated power (ERP) >> of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial >> channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each GMRS transmitter type capable of >> transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not >> exceed 0.5 Watts. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> >> >> >> -- >> "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch." -Garrison Keillor >> _______________________________________________ >> bars mailing list >> bars at w1hh.org >> http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k1dc.radio at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 14:56:31 2024 From: k1dc.radio at gmail.com (Tim K1DC) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:56:31 -0400 Subject: [bars] Holy Moley 6M!! Message-ID: A WILD opening on 6M all this afternoon.?? I've decoded (FT8) tons of SA stations along with two W6's and even a ZL!? The FT8 waterfall looks like 20M on a contest weekend! 73 & good DX! Tim - K1DC -- Courageously sent from a non-Apple device that /includes/ a headphone jack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim?Carter - K1DC (was KC1RET) +1.978.710.0133 k1dc.radio at gmail.com https://k1dc.com "Computers are incredibly fast, accurate and stupid; humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination." -- /Albert Einstein/ Warning: Spelling errors in this message are the product of a poor school system. Pay teachures more than athletes. This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.montgomery69 at outlook.com Sat Oct 12 10:23:08 2024 From: rob.montgomery69 at outlook.com (Robert Montgomery) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 15:23:08 +0000 Subject: [bars] GMRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, If anyone is interested in a, BTech GMRS-PRO, shoot me a message. It's in like new condition. Not much activity, in my area. Would like to put the $$$, toward a mobile rig for my car. Regards. Rob Montgomery KC1QKU WRXD345 Samsung Galaxy S23+ ________________________________ From: bars on behalf of John Schulman via bars Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 8:04:52 AM To: Christopher Lennon Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is 50W. [iu] John W1MVD Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2024, at 2:17?AM, Christopher Lennon wrote: ? The low end aren?t super expensive. I don?t know the details of the licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only you would need to be licensed. Chris W2BPL On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood > wrote: That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away. No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking or tracking satellite beacons, etc. Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas? 73 Christopher KC1GHR ________________________________ From: bars > on behalf of Verhulst via bars > Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM To: BARS CLUB BROADCAST > Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB. 73s Tony W1DYS WRXD549 On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jim?nez wrote: Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these radios? 73, K1CPR Juan _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org _______________________________________________ bars mailing list bars at w1hh.org http://mail.w1hh.org/mailman/listinfo/bars_w1hh.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: iu.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 58325 bytes Desc: iu.jpeg URL: From douglas.bruce1 at comcast.net Sun Oct 13 13:31:04 2024 From: douglas.bruce1 at comcast.net (DOUGLAS BRUCE) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [bars] W1HH Net Wednesday Night October 9, 2024 Check Ins Message-ID: <1036157277.274272.1728844264317@connect.xfinity.com> Greetings, The following 18 fine ham radio operators checked in to the W1HH Net on Wednesday Night, October 9, 2024: Call Sign Name QTH AB1HV! Mike Burlington W2BPL Chris Bedford W7LSG Ken Billerica K1DC Tim Andover WB1HBU Eric Beautiful West Lynn KC1FTJ John Equally Beautiful North Chelmsford N1ALO Peter The Wilds of Dracut AA1N Adam Acton W1LUS Bruce Tewksbury W1LPG Brendan Bedford N1CVO Shawn Lowell KC1TLE John N. Billerica KC1TLF Dave Tyngsboro WA1ESU Fred Newburyport W1OLU Rick Billerica AC1S Tom Acton KC1VFH Armand Chelmsford N1OSG Andy Somerville 18 check ins...and the winner is...Billerica with 3 check ins! Until next week... 73, Doug N1WRN Billerica Amateur Radio Society Net Manager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From douglas.bruce1 at comcast.net Wed Oct 16 08:38:05 2024 From: douglas.bruce1 at comcast.net (DOUGLAS BRUCE) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 09:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [bars] Net Notes W1HH Wednesday Night Net October 16, 2024 Message-ID: <1369341899.375992.1729085885286@connect.xfinity.com> Welcome to this week?s edition of "NET NOTES" !! We will be having our BARS weekly net tonight at 08:00 pm EDT or 00:00 UTC Show your support!! Please join in the fun ? all are most welcome. Chris, KC1IUK, will be your host tonight for the festivities! NOTE: CHANGE IN REPEATER ? BARS IS NOW USING WESTFORD!!! Here is the repeater info: QTH: Westford FREQ: 146.955 MHz CALL: WB1GOF Offset: - 0.6 MHz Tone: CTCSS 74.4 Hz NOTICE!! WE NEED VOLUNTEERS TO HELP OUT BY DOING THE NET ONCE EVERY FEW WEEKS!!!! Please contact Doug, N1WRN, for more info. 73, Doug N1WRN Billerica Amateur Radio Society Net Manager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To register go to: *https://forms.gle/DuvE1duskwLcJK8M6* _._,_._,_ -- Courageously sent from a non-Apple device that /includes/ a headphone jack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim?Carter - K1DC +1.978.710.0133 k1dc.radio at gmail.com https://k1dc.com "Computers are incredibly fast, accurate and stupid; humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination." -- /Albert Einstein/ Warning: Spelling errors in this message are the product of a poor school system. Pay teachures more than athletes. This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crlobdell1 at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 11:44:01 2024 From: crlobdell1 at gmail.com (Chris Lobdell) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:44:01 -0400 Subject: [bars] Net Notes BARS W1HH NET Wednesday Night Net October 16, 2024 In-Reply-To: <1369341899.375992.1729085885286@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1369341899.375992.1729085885286@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <56195F4E-1D0A-4B20-8CBE-566B7FAC3D09@gmail.com> Many thanks to the following 13 folks who checked into our NET! KC1TLE - John - North Billerica W7LSG ? Ken - Billerica W1LPG - Brendan - Bedford WB1HBU - Eric - West Lynn KC1FTJ - John - N. Chelmsford WA1ESU - Fred - Newburyport N1ALO - Peter - Dracut K1DC - Tim - Andover KC1TLF - Dave - Tyngsborough W1LUS - Bruce - Tewksbury KC1TJD - Kevin - Westford KC1KBC - Mark - Billerica W1OLU - Rick - Billerica ------------------------------------ Billerica wins with 4 check ins! Until next week, 73 & Good DX! Chris Lobdell KC1IUK > On Oct 16, 2024, at 9:38?AM, DOUGLAS BRUCE wrote: > > Welcome to this week?s edition of "NET NOTES" !! > We will be having our BARS weekly net tonight at 08:00 pm EDT or 00:00 UTC > > Show your support!! Please join in the fun ? all are most welcome. > > Chris, KC1IUK, will be your host tonight for the festivities! > > NOTE: CHANGE IN REPEATER ? BARS IS NOW USING WESTFORD!!! > > Here is the repeater info: > > QTH: Westford > > FREQ: 146.955 MHz > > CALL: WB1GOF > > Offset: - 0.6 MHz > > Tone: CTCSS 74.4 Hz > > NOTICE!! 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Please join in the fun ? all are most welcome.* > > * Dave, KC1TLF, will be your host tonight for the festivities! * > > > > > > > > * NOTE: CHANGE IN REPEATER ? BARS IS NOW USING WESTFORD!!! Here is the > repeater info: QTH: Westford FREQ: 146.955 MHz* > > > > > > > > > > > * CALL: WB1GOF Offset: - 0.6 MHz Tone: CTCSS 74.4 Hz NOTICE!! WE NEED > VOLUNTEERS TO HELP OUT BY DOING THE NET ONCE EVERY FEW WEEKS!!!! Please > contact Doug, N1WRN, for more info. 73, Doug* > * N1WRN* > * Billerica Amateur Radio Society Net Manager* > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwaj.speedo at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 08:27:54 2024 From: kwaj.speedo at gmail.com (Christopher Lennon) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:27:54 -0400 Subject: [bars] 2024 QRP Zombie Shuffle Message-ID: https://www.zianet.com/qrp/ZOMBIE/pg.html This looks like fun. The 2024 QRP Zombie Shuffle. Not a contest, although there is scoring. Not a speed test. QRP CW. 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Message-ID: Got my MFJ-1786 loop up, running and tuned and back in the HF saddle on FT8! Elvis is *in* da building! ??? 73, K1CPR Juan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From douglas.bruce1 at comcast.net Wed Oct 30 10:12:26 2024 From: douglas.bruce1 at comcast.net (DOUGLAS BRUCE) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [bars] Net Notes W1HH Net Wednesday Night October 30, 2024 Message-ID: <1483064086.1390419.1730301146942@connect.xfinity.com> Welcome to this week?s edition of "NET NOTES" !! We will be having our BARS weekly net tonight at 08:00 pm EDT or 00:00 UTC Show your support!! Please join in the fun ? all are most welcome. Chris, KC1IUK, will be your host tonight for the festivities! NOTE: CHANGE IN REPEATER ? BARS IS NOW USING WESTFORD!!! Here is the repeater info: QTH: Westford FREQ: 146.955 MHz CALL: WB1GOF Offset: - 0.6 MHz Tone: CTCSS 74.4 Hz NOTICE!! 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