<div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">I, like others, used HamTestOnline and can't recommend it enough. I got my tech, general, and extra with HTO and went from tech to Extra in about 2 months using it. I liked that it quizzed me periodically and re-quized me/showed me the parts that I was having trouble with, so it really drilled in the info.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">73,</div><div>Kayla</div><div>W2IRY</div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 3:58 PM KT1TK <<a href="mailto:QSO@kt1tk.com">QSO@kt1tk.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700WordSection1"><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I recently had the opportunity to use <b>HamTestOnline</b> (2017-Q4) and heartily recommend it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">As a late life licensee, at 70, I wanted to accelerate the process so I took some freebie Tech/General courses -- getting what I paid for <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">They were a quick, crude intro to see if my synapses still sparked. Seems they do.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">My avocational background (for the last 60 years ago) has been some physics, EE, space research, various degrees of others - but MATH is NOT my thing.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Did a lot of computer design, art, engineering, photography, coding, writing, AI, etc. All with no math beyond trig.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I had used radios my whole life but only as a passive (AM-SW) DX Listener.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Been around AROs my whole life but never as an operational observer or shack buddy.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">My AR-specific knowledge for Tech, Gen, and Extra varied between 0 and 2 (out of 10).<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">So, I investigated online tutoring and HamTestOnline stood out in a field of few flowers.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Being a late starter, I wanted maximum speed of knowledge acquisition.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I studied and tested their Tech & Gen courses for 2 weeks until I maintained 9+5% scores.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I then headed for Chelmsford Q4-2017. I passed both with only moderate hair pulling. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">They suggested I try the Extra (which I neither knew nor studied for).<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">As I expected, I failed, but to a lesser degree than I had forecasted.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Went back to HTO, signed up Extra, studied a week until I hit 95%, then to next earliest test (Lunenburg).<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">To my utter delight, I missed only 3 questions on the Extra exam! <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">So, from zero to Extra in a little over 3 weeks. All with HTO as my sole education source.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Mind you, as is <i>de riguer</i> for any course, I studied and self-tested 8-10 hours day.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I self-tested maybe 20 times a day. You see, the test process is the education process.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">You miss a question, it shows you a clip of supporting info and you try again.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Around and around you go. It breaks the monotony by switching up the order and topics.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I started literally with near zero knowledge. It took me the whole way.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">One anecdote that portrays what I liked about HTO is that it goes above and beyond what you might expect. To wit: There was a question in the test pool whose accepted answer was wrong. It was about the increase in gain to expect if you doubled a dish's diameter. Well, that squares the area so 2x diameter becomes 4x area. 4x = 6db. But the approved answer was an incorrect 3db. HTO taught me to enter the WRONG answer to pass that question. Sure enough, I got it, I entered to correct wrong answer and I passed it. I hear they've since corrected the pool question. HTO was one of those who petitioned for its correction. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Overall, my modus operandi was nothing more than the online tutoring.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I did NOT take side trips to research and study topics (as is my typically wont).<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I did not study books or articles. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">The online testing is, unto itself, the course on what you are being tested on.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">A beautiful example of positive recursion.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">You can visit them and use some of the courses for free to get a feel for it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><a href="http://HamTestOnline.com" target="_blank">http://HamTestOnline.com</a> which takes you to <a href="http://www.hamradiolicenseexam.com" target="_blank">http://www.hamradiolicenseexam.com</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Don't judge its utilitarian UX (user interface). The beauty is in the recursive testing/teaching.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Give it a shot. It's free to try. Nothing to lose.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Ps. I found Tech harder than General since Tech has the basic tedious rules.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Extra was a different kettle of fish. More questions at a much higher level of difficulty.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">TK Anthony <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>From: bars <<a href="mailto:bars-bounces@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars-bounces@w1hh.org</a>> On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:sidj@day100.com" target="_blank">sidj@day100.com</a><br>Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:20 PM<br>To: Gary's Ice Cream <<a href="mailto:gary@garysicecream.com" target="_blank">gary@garysicecream.com</a>>; Andy Klock <<a href="mailto:andy@klockmail.com" target="_blank">andy@klockmail.com</a>>; Tony Brock-Fisher <<a href="mailto:barockteer@aol.com" target="_blank">barockteer@aol.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars@w1hh.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [bars] Suggestions for a radio for new ham?</p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Let me suggest that you use ham test online:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><a href="https://www.hamradiolicenseexam.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://www.hamradiolicenseexam.com/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">I used it several years ago, it seems to be an active web page today.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">The books put me to sleep, <a href="https://www.hamradiolicenseexam.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://www.hamradiolicenseexam.com/</span></a> was a big help.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">After the Technician test, I used hamtestonline for the general and extra.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">Sid<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">ab1nz<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> On January 31, 2020 .2:57 PM Gary's Ice Cream <<a href="mailto:gary@garysicecream.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">gary@garysicecream.com</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> We'd love to have you at our next VE test session on Feb 13th in Chelmsford.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Gary F.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Gary's Ice Cream - Chelmsford Creamery, Inc. Chelmsford, MA <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <a href="http://garysicecream.com" target="_blank">garysicecream.com</a> Ice Cream College - classes in Massachusetts and <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Florida <a href="http://icecreamcollege.com" target="_blank">icecreamcollege.com</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> From: bars <<a href="mailto:bars-bounces@w1hh.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">bars-bounces@w1hh.org</span></a>> On Behalf Of Andy Klock<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 12:50 PM<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> To: Tony Brock-Fisher <<a href="mailto:barockteer@aol.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">barockteer@aol.com</span></a>>; <a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">bars@w1hh.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [bars] Suggestions for a radio for new ham?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Thanks all for everyone's advice and encouragement.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> I ended up going for the General last weekend, but while things are <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> still fresh in my brain I'm thinking of taking the Extra on the 13th. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> I've got a teenager who might come with me (and possibly a couple of <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> his buddies) as well if he is ready.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> I'm still not sure what my actual plans are but maybe that is a good thing.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> I like to hike in the mountains and carrying an antena sounds like a <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> fun thing to do. The thing that made me interested in the first place <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> was reading that story of a ham who found an old NASA satellite:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <a href="http://www.arrl.org/news/view/canadian-radio-amateur-finds-resurrected" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://www.arrl.org/news/view/canadian-radio-amateur-finds-resurrected</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> -nasa-<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> satellite<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> That is just the sort of scientific inquiry that I find interesting. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> But, since I'm a complete novice I'm sure I'll find some other interests too.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> My kids got out of school early today so we're going to head up to <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Salem to check out that ham shop. Will keep you posted.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Thanks again. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> Andy K<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> KC1MOW<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_4376366356184378700MsoPlainText">> PS. 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