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<div>Anyone can sue anyone for anything. All it takes is a few bucks and some paperwork. Winning the lawsuit is another matter. Furthermore, not recording a meeting is no guarantee that no one will sue. Recordings are not necessary to prove that something was said, and with perhaps 25 people in on a meeting, you can bet that sooner or later what was said can be revealed.</div>
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<div>The more important question is, what did or could the club or its members do that creates liability. The chances of someone saying or doing something during a BARS Zoom meeting that would lead to liability, either for the individual or for the club, are pretty small, though one could come up with scenarios.</div>
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<div>The bigger concern is, perhaps, privacy. Individuals have the option to not show video, and to not speak. That leaves mere presence at the meeting - something most unlikely to result in any liability.</div>
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<div>I wouldn't worry about this. If people don't want to be seen, they can turn off video. If they don't want to be heard, they can keep quiet. If they don't want it known that they attended the meeting, they can use an alias. Just tell them ahead of time (as Zoom does) that the meeting is being recorded.</div>
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To: 'Gary's Ice Cream' <gary@garysicecream.com>; 'Gary Frascarelli' <gary@garyfrascarelli.com>; 'Dana' <dana@djlsystems.com>; 'Tom Walsh' <k1tw@comcast.net>; 'Jim Idelson' <jim@k1ir.com>; 'William Smith' <w_smith@compusmiths.com><br>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">That’s great. He may not want to provide legal advice pro bono lest he be sued </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D;">J</span><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">I would love to hear Mike’s comments. Did I get this sort of right?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">Well that is an easy thing to do…..Club Member Mike Raisbeck IS an attorney.</div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> bars <bars-bounces@w1hh.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Geoffrey Feldman<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 7, 2021 1:34 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Gary Frascarelli' <gary@garyfrascarelli.com>; 'Dana' <dana@djlsystems.com>; 'Tom Walsh' <k1tw@comcast.net>; 'Jim Idelson' <jim@k1ir.com>; 'William Smith' <w_smith@compusmiths.com><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> 'BARS Reflector' <bars@w1hh.org><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bars] Bars Meeting Tomorrow Night</div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Speaking as someone who has been a SCUBA instructor and instructor trainer the answer to your question Gary is: EVERYBODY, especially those who lead the group during the time at issue. This is a paraphrase of the training provided to us in what is a commercial activity that could get very litigious. Speaking as a development engineer at Digital, same answer. I personally know of a salaried engineer whose property and wages were attached by a customer simply because someone didn’t like what he was doing with the COBOL language. Another engineer stole plans for a product, provided them to another company and was enjoyed by a court from doing anything with a computer including going to school for five years. That last incident the company made quite public in the engineering community. The object of that lesson was – screw us and we bite. “Injunctive relief” in a Non-disclosure agreement is something to understand.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">However, all that is not a reason for concern.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">No Lawyer ever is going to sue unless they believe they can personally profit by it. Even prosecutors don’t prosecute unless they are fairly certain that they can win. Whoever makes the decision and acts upon it is liable, if there is liability. There is also a common belief that anyone who writes up a lawsuit complaint gets their day in court. This is false. Judges often deny suits as lacking merit and not worth the courts time. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Here I am not certain but I believe that there are laws in Massachusetts specifically against recording conversations without the permission of all who participate. That’s where the leaders of BARS and the persons conducting a problematic meeting could be exposed. This type of legal principle does not exist in every state. I also believe that the law does not become relevant until the recording is shared or sharing is threatened. Security recordings are not shared unless required by law enforcement also there are usually signs to the effect that security cameras are in use. (in case you are wondering). Call 911 and the first thing out of their mouth is “This call is being recorded …” </span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">I think Tom Walsh makes a good point. Anyone who regrets something said can request the call be deleted? Hmmm. I personally think it’s fine if attendees are told that it’s being recorded. They then have the option to say “no”. Nobody does? Then I think it Is compliant even if they later regret their words.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">I am not a lawyer but I would not dismiss this as a real issue without talking to one first.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">What are they going to get from BARS if they sue? A beat up coffee pot, an old tent and a few tables?</div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">I’m only chiming in because my employer recently banned all recording of online meetings… The liability issues are extensive and fuzzy and I’m no lawyer...</div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">The mindset that we’re being told we should have is that anyone outside the org can potentially obtain recorded content and do malicious things with any info said by any of the participants… So if someone accidently mentioned their address, phone number, any personally identifiable info, who is doing what business with whom, personal info of loved ones, etc… this info can potentially be used to do bad things.</div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">There is prob not much liability on the club… especially since there are no substantial assets to be had… but that doesn’t stop someone from suing participants or anyone with assets… Anyone can sue anyone about anything… and obviously that happens all the time these days.</div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">That said… I’ll be a happy participant in the zoom meeting, but prob won’t say much <span style="font-family:UI;">😊</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">The only problem I see with recording is if something occurred during a meeting that shouldn’t have been recorded. </div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">And Zoom allows BARS to delete recordings anytime we wish. Such as after a period when folks who couldn’t attend live have the chance to watch the meeting. </div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">Most privacy concerns are probably about what data is collected on participants by advertisers and internet companies. That shouldn’t be affected by the mere fact of a recording as that data is available just from your live attendance. </div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal">I too hope we record tonight’s meeting. Great speaker!</div>
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<div class="yiv1471408298MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt;">I don't think there's any one specific person who is concerned, it feels like the Board is concerned that there might be, and in today's world of legitimate privacy concerns, the easy solution is not to record the meetings.</div>
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