<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">ELF sub coms were coded three letter messages as I recall(?) due to the very slow rate arising from extreme low frequency, a few characters/minute, and one way only, to the subs. <div><br>On a sort of related note, <span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-size: medium; text-align: -webkit-center;">KH2PZ/KH6’s </span>stories of working at <span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-size: medium;">USCG marine Radio Station Honolulu, callsign NMO, on 600m (500kHz) in the late ‘70’s… </span><div><a href="http://jproc.ca/radiostor/cw500pt1.html">http://jproc.ca/radiostor/cw500pt1.html</a><div><font size="3"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></font><div dir="ltr"><div> = Steve — KB1LKR =</div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 26, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Geoffrey Feldman <geoffreyf@comcast.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Further OT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Project Sanguine, later rebranded Project Seafarer, was a transmitter in Wisconsin that operated on 85 Hz (that’s not a typo) ELF, and probably higher power even than WLW. Its purpose was communicating with submarines while at their operating depth. (Yes, I know that we don’t think of RF as penetrating underwater but that also was the idea). The project was secret, at one point, even its exact nature was secret.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The story was that it could be used to call off a nuclear attack. If you work through the amount of information that could be sent at that frequency, and assume it was also encrypted, it was more likely to start a nuclear attack. The message would come too late to stop one. There is a some stuff to google these days and that’s interesting but appears incomplete.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">WLW and Seafarer are the basis for QRZ quiz questions, which reminds me …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, I know that submarines do deploy an antenna to the surface and communicate by more typical means. This is different.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now how did I learn of this in the 1970’s? That’s a story for another day. However, I did not work on that project nor was I ever an employee of the US government. It’s a better story than that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">W1GCF<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Geoff <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> bars [mailto:bars-bounces@w1hh.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kenneth Weinbeck<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 26, 2022 3:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> p2vradioguy@gmail.com; k1tw@comcast.net; bars@w1hh.org; ne-cw-friends@groups.io<br><b>Subject:</b> [bars] Fwd: [yccc] Interesting OT: 500 Kw AM radio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br><b>Subject:</b> [yccc] Interesting OT: 500 Kw AM radio<br><b>From:</b> "Kermit Lehman via groups.io" <ktfrog007=aol.com@groups.io><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 12:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> yccc@groups.io<br><b>CC:</b> <br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Something from Quora I found interesting. Here's a good link for further info:<br><br><a href="https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015/mayjune/feature/in-the-1930s-radio-station-wlw-in-ohio-was-americas-one-and-only-sup">https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015/mayjune/feature/in-the-1930s-radio-station-wlw-in-ohio-was-americas-one-and-only-sup</a><br><br><br>73,<br>Ken, AB1J<br><br>Bert Willke Ph.D. in Physics (1963), Massachusetts Institute of Technology <br>What happens if a low frequency wave (1km wavelength) has a super high amplitude? Meaning a ton of energy despite its low energy per photon. How does it interact with matter?That's almost half the frequency of the most powerful AM station ever: WLW at 700 kHz ran 500,000 watts from 1934 to 1939. You could pick it up over half the US in the day and of course anywhere at night. Station engineers had to specially rewire some nearby houses because the lights wouldn't go off. Some continued to pick up the station in their innerspring mattresses. In some cases their gutters were pulled loose. Nearby farmers picked up the station on their barbed wire fences. It came out of loudspeakers whether the radio was on or off. Nonmetals were not significantly affected. Amazingly, no fires were reported. In 1939 the FCC limited clear channel stations to 50,000 watts, and other stations to much lower wattage. 50,000 watt stations are strong enough to be heard almost everywhere at night. Through WW2, the station was kept operable in case of national emergency. By the end of the war it was improved to the point it could transmit at 1 million watts to reach the entire country in national emergencies. 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