<html><head></head><body> <div dir="auto">$5000? I have never spent much over 10% of that but I was resourceful. <caret></caret></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block" id="protonmail_signature_block"><div><div>Steve Wedge, W1ES/4<br></div><div><br></div><div>Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.<br></div></div></div> <div class="signature_br" contenteditable="false"><br></div><div class="signature_br" contenteditable="false"><br></div> <div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><div>Sent from Proton Mail for iOS</div></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 13:08, Leandra MacLennan <<a class="" href="mailto:On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 13:08, Leandra MacLennan <<a href=">leandra@leandramac.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jason:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s go back to your original question. Why do want/need a 20M gain antenna?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What are your goals?</p>
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<li style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2" class="MsoListParagraph">Are you a contester?</li><li style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2" class="MsoListParagraph">Are you chasing DX?</li><li style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2" class="MsoListParagraph">Do you have a regular net you want to participate in on 20M?</li><li style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2" class="MsoListParagraph">Are you handling traffic on 20M on CW/SSB or using Winlink/Vara on 20M?</li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you are doing the first 2, contesting or chasing DX, I suggest finding a multiband antenna.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Next, what is your budget?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you want a permanent solution for your home that will stay up 24 hours/day through all seasons with wind/rain/snow/ice, you are looking at a minimum $15K investment in a tower, concrete, beam, rotator, guys, cables, lightning protection,
and $1K /year for maintenance and insurance.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are less expensive solutions where you can put a mini tower on your house roof (you will need XYL approval and depending on your town you may need a building permit), but you still will need to buy the beam, rotator, cables, lightning
protection, etc. (minimum $5K) and maintain it.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You should have someone who has put these antennas and towers up do the installation or assist you.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are temporary solutions such as the Buddipole hexbeam (about $2K for the full kit) which are designed for a weekend operation.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Another temporary solution would be use an old extension ladder as a “tower” and mount the rotor and a small Mosley beam on it.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you have high trees you could build a 20M half square or even better, a 20M curtain antenna. These antennas are very simple to make and can be easily built with just wire. They only need to be mounted high enough so the vertical wires
do not touch the ground (there is high voltage at the bottom of the vertical wires so make sure the ends cannot be touched by a someone passing by the antenna). These antennas have gain over a dipole. The pattern is fixed, and the gain is broadside to the
antenna. I have built and used a 15M half square antenna made from 18 AWG scrap wire and I have been very impressed with its performance. In an on-the-air comparison test, using 100 watts on 15M SSB with a ham in Texas, the half-square antenna, mounted at
12 feet, was far better than a multiband 80-6M OCF antenna mounted at 30 feet. The half square and curtain antennas are vertically polarized which makes them poor for local, groundwave contacts unless you are communicating with another ham with a vertical
antenna, but the low angle vertical polarization is great for DX.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Half square antenna</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://w6af.com/makerspace/build-your-own-ham-antennas/half-square-antenna-easy-wire-dx-antenna/">https://w6af.com/makerspace/build-your-own-ham-antennas/half-square-antenna-easy-wire-dx-antenna/</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bobtail curtain antenna</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cnc14VW8Ro">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cnc14VW8Ro</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.simplehamradioantennas.com/2018/09/bobtail-curtain-antenna-post-1623.html">https://www.simplehamradioantennas.com/2018/09/bobtail-curtain-antenna-post-1623.html</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">General information about half-square, and bobtail antennas</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.hamuniverse.com/wb3aywcurtainantennas.html">http://www.hamuniverse.com/wb3aywcurtainantennas.html</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> -Leandra AF1R</p>
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Paul Pellegrini via bars<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 22, 2023 11:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bars@w1hh.org; Jason M. Sanroma - K1NAD <K1NAD@sanroma.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bars] 20m Directional Antenna</p>
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<p class="ydp9bf74f25msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Putting up a directional antenna requires some planning. Here are some ideas/tips for you to think about.</span></p>
<p class="ydp9bf74f25msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Do you want to use a rotator? Do you have a specific preferred direction like the USA?</span></p>
<p class="ydp9bf74f25msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Where do you want to mount it? Tower? Side of the house?</span></p>
<p class="ydp9bf74f25msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">How high will it be? 60 feet is a great height for a 20M yagi, but very good results can be obtained by mounting it at 20 feet or 30 feet. You may be able to
get to 20 to 30 feet high by mounting to the side of your house.</span></p>
<p class="ydp9bf74f25msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Weight and size are important. I found a 20M yagi on dx engineering that weighs 45 pounds and has a 24 foot boom.</span></p>
<p class="ydp9bf74f25msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">You may want to consider a smaller triband beam like a cushcraft A3S. It weights 27 pounds and has a boom length of 14 feet. There will be a gain penalty with
this beam compared to the monoband yagi, but it will be easier to handle on the ground if you are trying to install the yagi. However, on the plus side you get 3 good dx bands.</span></p>
<p class="ydp9bf74f25msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Rather than doing a new purchase put out a squawk here on the BARS website and ask if anyone wants to get rid of a yagi antenna. You will need to take what you
can get but you may be surprised with the response.</span></p>
<p class="ydp9bf74f25msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Happy hunting and good dxing.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I am looking into getting a 20m directional antenna set up at my QTH. But I am not sure exactly what I am looking for at the moment and would like to hear some suggestions if any of you
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I have a few specific questions that will help to form my choice:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:white"></span></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">What are the key factors to consider when selecting a directional antenna for 20-meter operations? Are there any specific specifications or features I should be looking
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</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Could you please suggest some reputable brands or models that have proven to be effective for 20-meter communications? If you have personal experience with any of these
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</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Are there any particular antenna types that are known to perform well for 20-meter operations? I would like to understand the pros and cons of different designs, such as
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</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Considering the budget aspect, are there any cost-effective options or DIY antenna projects that I could explore? I am willing to invest time and effort if it leads to a
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</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Lastly, do you have any additional advice or tips that could help me in my quest for a 20-meter directional antenna? Any personal experiences or lessons learned that you
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<span class="ydpc9803a5byiv0835587361gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you for your time and I hope to hear some of your suggestions!</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:white"></span></p>
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