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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Agreed. I have 2 lithium iron phosphate batts from HRO, a 30 AH and 20 AH for reserve. I calculated with my operating style (duty cycle) for a fixed – mobile operation the 30 AH will run my rig for 5 hours. Have not run out yet. And I used the 20 AH to power a HP laptop with the HP DC to DC converter (12 to 19V). The batteries are not available for loan to due high expense and safety reasons, but if we ever start meeting in person again and I have time, I could demonstrate . . . <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-Art<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>NF1A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> bars <bars-bounces@w1hh.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Geoffrey Feldman<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 10, 2023 10:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> apizer@comcast.net; 'Joanne Dolan' <dolans.family@gmail.com>; 'BARS Reflector' <BARS@w1hh.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bars] Cigarette lighter malfunction.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The Bioenno batteries are not cheap, at least for upfront cost but they can be charged 1000s of times. If you charge one when half charged twice that counts as only one charge. Over the years, they are actually less expensive.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Then the other price to compare with is how much you may pay a mechanic to sort out problems in a cars electrical system. It may not even be because of the radio but it’s an easy thing to blame, especially for a dealer. I once had exactly that problem and I was able to point out that my radio had nothing to do with the vehicles electrical system. Ultimately it was fixed under the warranty. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is it more expensive? I think not in the long run. As I alluded to before, people over purchase Bioenno’s because they incorrectly believe that a x AH Bioenno is no better than an x AH SLA. This is a mistake because a Bioenno (or other LiFePo battery AH is longer useful AH than SlA batteries. 20 AH LiFePo means that many hours of better than 12volts. For an SLA 20 AH is about 10 of better than 12. SLA is very good for walloping out a lot of current fast to crank a car but not for consistent voltage or long life of repeated use either. No SLA comes close for discharge cycles either.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Geoff / W1GCF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> bars <bars-bounces@w1hh.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>apizer@comcast.net<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 10, 2023 10:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Joanne Dolan' <dolans.family@gmail.com>; 'BARS Reflector' <BARS@w1hh.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bars] Cigarette lighter malfunction.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Joann,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I too, like Geoff, use a Bioenno (not cheap) battery, but only for HF portable (POTA, FD, etc) when I am running 100 Watts and drawing up to 20 A. For my 2 meter/440 mobile, I still use a cigar type plug but it is a heavy duty one with binding posts and can handle 10 A and is vented to dissipate heat. RadioShack used to sell them but they are still available on Amazon. See link below. Or maybe Electronics Plus in Littleton, You-Do -It in Needham, auto parts stores or truck stops have them.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Art<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>NF1A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.amazon.com/48-521-Cigarette-Lighter-Plug-Binding/dp/B08PPSQZKQ">https://www.amazon.com/48-521-Cigarette-Lighter-Plug-Binding/dp/B08PPSQZKQ</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> bars <<a href="mailto:bars-bounces@w1hh.org">bars-bounces@w1hh.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joanne Dolan<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 10, 2023 4:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joanne Dolan <<a href="mailto:dolans.family@gmail.com">dolans.family@gmail.com</a>>; BARS Reflector <<a href="mailto:BARS@w1hh.org">BARS@w1hh.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [bars] Cigarette lighter malfunction.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>It got so hot that the plastic melted and the soldered joint disconnected from the metal but the fuses still good.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>