<div dir="auto"><div>So, think of it from the standard GMRS user's point of view. They just want to use radios to communicate with friends/family while doing stuff. They don't care about the radio. They don't care much about rules except that if they use the equipment that a licensee hands them and use the licensee's call sign they are within them. They have their very own little piece of spectrum to do this sort of comm. The usual GMRS user would have ZERO interest in the conversation we are having now.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So why would GMRS users want to invite in a bunch of radio nerds who want to talk about radios and rules and whether they will get a haircut today? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Really, it is best to keep these worlds separate.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Chris W2BPL</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Sent from my phone.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 10:30 AM geoffreyf--- via bars <<a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org">bars@w1hh.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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The point is regulation. There are all sorts of things regulated by license for which there is no or minimal testing. Revenue may be part of it, but one must provide the license call sign on request if operating over ½ watt. CB once required a similar
license. The revenue, at least theoretically, supports monitoring and enforcement.</div>
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GMRS bands don't seem very active. A more interesting question would be why can't licensed hams operate on those frequencies without an additional license or charge? </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 11, 2024 10:09 AM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> BARS CLUB BROADCAST <<a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bars@w1hh.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bars] ***SPAM*** Re: GMRS</span>
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<div>If there is no test, what's point of requiring a license? Other than increasing FCC revenue, of course.<br>
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<div>On 10/11/2024 9:52 AM, Stephen Crook via bars wrote:</div>
<blockquote>Here are the current rules for GMRS
<div><a href="https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1" id="m_-3990572520360483450OWA9fc3572c-7a21-237b-0605-816e5a9ca01f" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E?toc=1</a></div>
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<span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT;font-size:18px"><b>§ 95.1763 GMRS channels.</b></span></p>
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The GMRS is allotted 30 channels—16 main channels and 14 interstitial channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated below.</p>
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(a) <span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldItalicMT"><b><i>462 MHz main channels.</i></b></span> Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750,
462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz.</p>
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(b) <span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldItalicMT"><b><i>462 MHz interstitial channels.</i></b></span> Only mobile, hand-held portable and base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125,
462.6375, 462.6625, 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz.</p>
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(c) <span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldItalicMT"><b><i>467 MHz main channels.</i></b></span> Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit
on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with
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95.319(c)</a></span>. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz.</p>
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(d) <span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldItalicMT"><b><i>467 MHz interstitial channels.</i></b></span> Only hand-held portable units may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625,
467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz.</p>
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<span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT"><b>§ 95.1767 GMRS transmitting power limits.</b></span></p>
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This section contains transmitting power limits for GMRS stations. The maximum transmitting power depends on which channels are being used and the type of station.</p>
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(a) <span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldItalicMT"><b><i>462/467 MHz main channels.</i></b></span> The limits in this paragraph apply to stations transmitting on any of the 462 MHz main channels or any of the 467 MHz main channels. Each GMRS transmitter
type must be capable of operating within the allowable power range. GMRS licensees are responsible for ensuring that their GMRS stations operate in compliance with these limits.</p>
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(1) The transmitter output power of mobile, repeater and base stations must not exceed 50 Watts.</p>
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(2) The transmitter output power of fixed stations must not exceed 15 Watts.</p>
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(b) <span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldItalicMT"><b><i>462 MHz interstitial channels.</i></b></span> The effective radiated power (ERP) of mobile, hand-held portable and base stations transmitting on the 462 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed
5 Watts.</p>
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(c) <span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldItalicMT"><b><i>467 MHz interstitial channels.</i></b></span> The effective radiated power (ERP) of hand-held portable units transmitting on the 467 MHz interstitial channels must not exceed 0.5 Watt. Each
GMRS transmitter type capable of transmitting on these channels must be designed such that the ERP does not exceed 0.5 Watts.</p>
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