<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">There have been a couple of changes over a decade or two, to the FRS and GMRS rules.<div><br>I believe that at this point FRS handhelds are limited to 2 watts (the table shared earlier being from an earlier version when they were 0.5W) and GMRS handhelds are limited to 5W. Both are required to have a fixed antenna (at least nominally, as noted) and to come out of the box with channels preprogrammed. The GMRS 50W applies to base/mobile style units, I think, which would include repeaters. One idea is that you could have a higher power unit at a campsite or in a vehicle, which could be a repeater too(?). Not sure how much coordination there is for repeaters.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have a TIDRADIO TD-H3, purchased as a ham unit and it enforces appropriate band edges (2m, 70cm). It has FCC certification. The firmware can be reloaded into GMRS mode, but then must be reconfigured (or an unlocked mode, which is called NORMAL, tellingly). Operating it on GMRS is probably at the edge of legality/technicalities of the rules but they do sell a GMRS version which seems to be just the software config changed. I am not a communications lawyer ;). Since it is 5W and I don't think FRS certified, I would say you need a GMRS license at least. I believe GMRS stations can interact with FRS on the shared freqs, but presumably must still identify etc.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The TD-H3 (ham version) is a neat little unit. I had to send one back which didn't have good output power, but second one (Amazon free replacement including shipping) works. It is USB-C chargeable and programmable with CHIRP over USB-C. You can clone wirelessly between units. It receives FM broadcast and Airband. You can catch them on sale for under $35. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">73,</div><div dir="auto">Adam / AA1N </div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:50 PM Juan Jiménez <<a href="mailto:k1cpr@bd5.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">k1cpr@bd5.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">HA! I I found a better solution! Menu 28, "Voice" turn to OFF. :)<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>73,<div>K1CPR</div><div>Juan</div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:45 PM Juan Jiménez <<a href="mailto:k1cpr@bd5.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">k1cpr@bd5.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I just wish I could find out how to change the silly voice on the radio of the young chinese girl trying to speak english with a heavy accent. Not giving voice options like Garmin does was a bad idea.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>73,<div>K1CPR</div><div>Juan</div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06 PM cprestia <<a href="mailto:cprestia@comcast.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cprestia@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Come to think of it I think I paid the 70 bucks. It was changing literally within days of their departure, but I couldn't wait because they were leaving.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No matter, it was worth it to us.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">73</div><div dir="auto">Charlie</div><div dir="auto">W1CEP</div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Christopher Lennon <<a href="mailto:kwaj.speedo@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kwaj.speedo@gmail.com</a>> </div><div>Date: 10/10/24 13:42 (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Juan Jiménez <<a href="mailto:k1cpr@bd5.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">k1cpr@bd5.com</a>> </div><div>Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST <<a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bars@w1hh.org</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [bars] GMRS </div><div><br></div></div><p dir="ltr">I have thought about getting a GMRS radio, and figured that if I did I would buy two. One for me and one for my unlicensed cousin to use when we were doing stuff together.</p>
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<div>Sent from my phone.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:57 PM Juan Jiménez <<a href="mailto:k1cpr@bd5.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">k1cpr@bd5.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><p dir="ltr">I got the Wouxon KG-935G because it has high reviews on eHam. It is heavier than my QRZ-1 HT and comes with two antennas. So far I think it will become the black sheep of my herd, useful only in special occasions.</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 12:09 geoffreyf--- via bars <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars@w1hh.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
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I did get a pair of radio oddity GM-30 GMRS HT's. These have all channels which include the ones which do 5 watts and therefore require the license which I also got. I was curious. They are physically lighter in weight compared to Ham HT's and less well
built physically than even a Baofeng. Supposedly you are not allowed to change antennas from the rubber ducky that comes with it. However, and on the ones, I got, with a small Allen wrench you can unlock the provided antenna to discover that it works with
a male SMA antenna. In fact, it works similarly on the 5-watt channels. For simply calling another radio simplex, it is pretty good. </div>
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We can argue if it's just as good. I'll offer that it probably isn't, but my testing was superficial. I do think radios should be evaluated in the context of what they cost. If you go on a trip with unlicensed friends or family, it might actually be useful.
While driving home, they can read the tech license manual.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2024 11:44 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bars] GMRS</span>
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<p style="direction:ltr">I have not applied for a GMRS License nor have I ever thought of buying a radio for GMRS operations.</p>
<p style="direction:ltr">I do know some families that have for hunting and backpacking. I have even given them ham radio license manuals.</p>
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<div style="direction:ltr">On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 10:01 AM cprestia via bars <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWAf26dbf7a-ca30-d826-df97-87db8a37d531" href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars@w1hh.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Ok, 35 bucks. I stand corrected.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,0)">From: Stephen Crook <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWAadc3e430-daa7-97a7-7c6c-acca767d5819" href="mailto:scrook@comcast.net" target="_blank">scrook@comcast.net</a>></div>
<div style="direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Date: 10/10/24 09:17 (GMT-05:00)</div>
<div style="direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,0)">To: cprestia <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWAd028d765-937b-0a4e-51bd-b83f96155d7b" href="mailto:cprestia@comcast.net" target="_blank">cprestia@comcast.net</a>></div>
<div style="direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Cc: John Schulman <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWAfaaef2de-3d3b-922e-280c-d51e64fa2524" href="mailto:john.schulman@comcast.net" target="_blank">john.schulman@comcast.net</a>>, Christopher Lennon <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWAbeec74d1-b224-d1f6-2e93-266fcd8eb439" href="mailto:kwaj.speedo@gmail.com" target="_blank">kwaj.speedo@gmail.com</a>>,
BARS CLUB BROADCAST <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWA8bd8195c-e7c3-e061-68d5-54232f0a5f1a" href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars@w1hh.org</a>></div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">You must be 18 or older to apply, but<span style="font-family:Helvetica"> family members (licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces,
nephews, and in-laws), </span>regardless of age, can operate stations within the licensed system.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Could be an easy, useful method of local family communication and superior to unlicensed FRS.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">On Oct 10, 2024, at 8:38 AM, cprestia via bars <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWAd1e4102f-af4f-b32b-cfa1-5e4fd4d67eea" href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars@w1hh.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="direction:ltr">I think the license is/was 70 Clams and covered the fam for 10 years if I'm not mistaken. We'll worth it if you have peeps that don't want to pursue amateur radio level comes.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Oh yeah, hello neighbor NIECC</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">73 PEEPS!</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,0)">From: John Schulman via bars <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWA0826a57f-f022-8558-66db-3c9edb7be707" href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars@w1hh.org</a>></div>
<div style="direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Date: 10/10/24 08:27 (GMT-05:00)</div>
<div style="direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,0)">To: Christopher Lennon <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWA7e6ec0f5-0bdc-354d-3371-b965d1ee9072" href="mailto:kwaj.speedo@gmail.com" target="_blank">kwaj.speedo@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div style="direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Cc: BARS CLUB BROADCAST <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWA3ce3b08b-418f-9a36-eb46-354713204663" href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars@w1hh.org</a>></div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">I paid for the license online and bought a couple radios for camp. GMRS is 50W. </div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">The low end aren’t super expensive. I don’t know the details of the licensing, but I think if they were using them in a group with you, only you would need to be licensed.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 10:45 PM Christopher Wood <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWA4e5f7394-16e4-146b-c034-cc7ec5b33d7f" href="mailto:christopher.wood@firelinkllc.com" target="_blank">christopher.wood@firelinkllc.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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That is my proposed use case, although I have not yet implemented it (GMRS) .. To have a radio with which to communicate with my grandchildren a couple of miles away.</div>
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No licensing test, so we can each get a license and then I can get them a radio and have a radio here at home. I think that might be fun and maybe interest them in future radio development and moving forward to other projects like ham radio balloon tracking
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Maybe I'll try to do this for Christmas?</div>
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on behalf of Verhulst via bars <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" id="m_-3772402941237895274m_4220382701675042696m_4074750267471019518m_5588692188315889875m_-4160897602206654524m_-7841499939752339792OWA74462f47-31ef-fa2a-5971-549aabe5e819" href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank">bars@w1hh.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 9, 2024 10:23 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bars] GMRS</span>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Good question. I bought one thinking that it might be something like VHF/UHF but there's nobody on that I can find. Repeaters near me (Tewksbury) are not to be found. There's one in Wilmington but never heard anything there. If
you have a group of people and all have GMRS, that would be useful - but so would CB.<br>
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<div style="direction:ltr">On 10/1/2024 8:21 AM, Juan Jiménez wrote:</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Looking at the specs for GMRS radios, it seems like it's a fancier version of FRS with a little more power, ability to use repeaters and need to get a license without any tests involved. For what purpose do people use these radios?</div>
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