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This is a very good point about the value of a waterfall display. What that provides, especially for a newbie, is the ability to visually see what is happening across an entire section of the band. It also provides insight into possible interference.</div>
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Similarly, the lower power of the IC 705 is a good trade off for the greater convenience and portability. However, the higher power of the iC 7300 is also helpful and especially so for someone new.</div>
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As already discussed, there are a lot of tradeoffs in selecting a radio but for anyone just starting out, one of them is that certain features reduce frustration.</div>
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One place where the IC 7100 shines is as a mobile multi-band radio. However, a multi band radio in a car, with the attendant antennas and installation issues maybe not. Oh - transmitting with the car's electrical system for power, most or all Icom radios shut
themselves off when power is below 12v. That can easily happen during transmission.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 8, 2025 12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andy Wallace <soldersmoke01@gmail.com>; Jon Turner <jontur@gmail.com><br>
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I started out with the ICOM 7100 and I still have it and use it regularly. I like that it covers HF, VHF, and UHF. When I'm not on travel and join the net, it's almost always on this radio.</div>
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However, I later got the ICOM 705. It's 5W with the internal battery and 10W with an external battery. I bought the backpack and put in the LDG 100+ antenna tuner and external LFP battery. What I love about it that I don't have with the 7100 is the waterfall
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If I were buying one rig today, I would buy the 705 and then if I wanted more power, I would add an amplifier. (It covers the same bands as above.) That way, I could take the 705 on the road, as I do now, and have more power at home. Mind you, I don't have
a "shack" or anything like that - I have a small table in the living room next to my computer desk. So, that's the limited world of my perspective. However, I work hard on matching my antenna to the frequency (I mostly operate portable) and I've made contacts
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> bars <bars-bounces@w1hh.org> on behalf of Jon Turner via bars <bars@w1hh.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 8, 2025 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andy Wallace <soldersmoke01@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> BARS Reflector <bars@w1hh.org><br>
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<div>I have an icom 7100 for sale. if you are still interested please call 978-729-5109 <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Good points, Bammi! I meant complexity in the design, not necessarily the user experience. Glad to hear those rigs are surviving well. Andy</div>
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On Jun 6, 2025, at 4:36\u202fPM, Jwahar Bammi <<a href="mailto:jbammi@mac.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jbammi@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Andy,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I have to debate you on these a bit:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Heat and complexity:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Complexity from whose POV: I agree from a manufacturers POV, but I will let the manufacturer deal with that, and support the repairs. But from a users POV, its just a few more bands, you hit the mode switch
like on any multi-band/multi-mode radio and you are off to the races. So I don\u2019t weigh this very heavily The heat is not any more than any other 100 W radio (I have owned several 100 W and QRP all band radios, 817/857,991 etc and operated several more ) Again
the complexity of managing the heat is the manufacturer problem, not mine, until it breaks. My original 817, 857 are still going strong, several members of the club have borrowed them, I have never had any of them complain about complexity beyond operating
any other multi-band/multi-mode rigs, nor have any of them broken ever. The 817 / 857 are probably the most ubiquitous radios out there<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><i>the big names mostly abandoned the idea</i>:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">The two most popular rigs today: the Icom 705 and the new hotness FTX-1 Field and the FTX-1 Optima all all-band/all-mode as are many others. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">I agree with most of your other points.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">I don\u2019t get the car analogy, sorry.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">My FT 857 is not terrible at anything, but my Elecraft K-Line is a far better HF rig and my 736 is a far better VHF/UHF rig and my Kenwood v-71 is a nice\u2019ish FM/mobile rig, but that doesn\u2019t stop me ever from enjoying the 857 or the
817 etc.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">In my early ham years we had no choice but to build gear (from surplus US mil parts thanks American taxpayers! For your generosity of all the stuff you abandoned in Vietnam!) but if I were to pick 1 novice rig today to master it would
be multi-band/multimode hf/vhf/uhf especially given the popularity of digital/weak signal/cw on the rise etc.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">73 de ws1m<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Bammi<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy Wallace via bars<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 6, 2025 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Heckbert <<a href="mailto:richard.heckbert@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">richard.heckbert@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bars@w1hh.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bars] Icom 7100<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Good points Rick. I love my 7300 and am glad that model appealed to you. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Jason, I echo the other comments. An Amphicar makes both a terrible car and a terrible boat. (Look them up haha)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Putting 100W VHF and UHF in the same rig introduces problems (mostly heat and complexity). I think this is why all three of the big names mostly abandoned the idea - except the IC-7100 of course. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Having VHF/UHF in the car for FM and HF in the house is a nice arrangement. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">The prices of used IC-7300s have really come down. Daily I am seeing $800 or less and today I see one on QTH for $670. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">You may find a 7100, and maybe under $800. And maybe you want the most compact rig for the room which is why you asked?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">These are good places to browse. (Buyer beware of course.)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Used 7300s and used FT-710s seem to be in about the same ballpark lately. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?forums/ham-radio-gear-for-sale.7/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#467886">Ham Radio Gear For Sale | QRZ Forums</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://swap.qth.com/all.php" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#467886">QTH.COM Ham Radio Classified Ads - Swap amateur radio HF VHF equipment buy sell trade on line</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://groups.io/g/NewEnglandDigitalSwapNet/topics" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#467886">NewEnglandDigitalSwapNet@groups.io | Topics</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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On Jun 5, 2025, at 11:16<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM, Richard Heckbert via bars <<a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bars@w1hh.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I apparently replied directly to Jason versus the list.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rick \u2013 W1OLU</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Richard Heckbert <<a href="mailto:richard.heckbert@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">richard.heckbert@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 5, 2025 at 5:31\u202fPM<br>
<b>To: </b>Jason Sanroma <<a href="mailto:jason@sanroma.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jason@sanroma.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [bars] Icon 7100</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I just went through trying to find my first rig. After a lot of searching I settled on either an ICOM-7300 or a Yaesu FT-991. I had only heard great things about the
both of them but I was leaning towards the Yaesu due to it being a shack-in-the-box but then I read a few other things that made me change my mind. I was having issues being heard on the Wednesday night BARS net using my Explorer QRZ-1 so I wanted to make
sure I had 2m covered. However, a LOT of people said I was better off with two rigs versus the single rig. One reason was single point of failure vs. multiple points. Another reason was I could only monitor/use one band at a time. I also heard the Yaesu
menus took some getting used to but discounted that figuring I didn\u2019t know any menu system so none would be \u201cweird\u201d to me.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I ended up getting an ICOM-7300. I found it on eBay. It was being sold by a silent-key\u2019s daughter-in-law. The radio came with all attachments, was in fantastic shape
and also came with a practically new ALINCO power supply and an LDG-100 autotuner. I verified it was a US Spec (has an FCC ID label) as there are a ton of Japanese spec rigs on eBay. They have limited power as well as smaller bands (i.e. the BARS PART repeater
would be out of band on them). I got it for a good price and the money saved between a new one I purchased an AnyTone AT-778UV which is a 25-watt very small 2m and 70cm mobile radio. I was able to purchase the ICOM with PS and Autotuner, the Anytone and
a magmount antenna for less than the cost of a new ICOM (currently $999 after rebate). I\u2019m pretty happy with my choices although explaining to my wife why I needed another radio after the ICOM was interesting.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I also heard great things about the ICOM\u2019s waterfall display being among the best.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What are you trying to do with the radio? The Yaesu is more of a base rig and the ICOM-7100 is more of a mobile rig. Figure out if you\u2019re more into base operations or
mobile and that might help your decision.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Also, a lot of people are raving about the new Yaesu FTX-1 (Field or Optima configuration). Both the FT-991 and the ICOM-7300 are a few years old and getting a bit long
in the tooth so much ado about a new rig.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Let me know how you make out/which rig you choose. If you look at the BARS email archives I asked a couple of times (last month) for advice and received quite a lot of
good info here.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rick - W1OLU</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">bars <<a href="mailto:bars-bounces@w1hh.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bars-bounces@w1hh.org</a>> on behalf of Jason Sanroma via bars <<a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bars@w1hh.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Jason Sanroma <<a href="mailto:jason@sanroma.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jason@sanroma.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 4, 2025 at 9:50\u202fPM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bars@w1hh.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:bars@w1hh.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bars@w1hh.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[bars] Icon 7100</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">If anyone is, or knows of someone who is selling an Icom 7100 or Yaesu 991A, please reach out. I am in the market for a new radio and would like to find something cheaper than brand new.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Alternatively if anyone recommends a different radio, or has positive comments about either please let me know!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">73<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_x_MsoNormal">Jason K1NAD<u></u><u></u></p>
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